Well guys, not having watched it yet, I can say with complete confidence that I am really looking forward to seeing it later tonight.
Anything that gets up the fanbases' collective noses has got to be worth watching, IMO.
Before you all say it, yes I know, I am a contrary old bastard. ?
Nope. Really enjoyed this, and I think it's progressing the way it should. Richard Horne is becoming the character you want to see die in a violent way, like Joffrey from GOT haha. Anyone think the episodes don't necessarily flow in order? I feel we won't see Dale Cooper until the finale...this is his odyssey back to Twin Peaks. Feel sorry for Janey-E when Coop does reveal himself!
I feel as though he's a more complex character than Joffrey. I can see the comparison, but Joffrey seemed to be more linear. I think there's more going on with Richard.
I can only think disappointment with this show comes from having unfulfilled expectations and the issue there is from having specific expectations to begin with. His pacing is probably a culture shock to people who watch an abundant amount of modern TV as well.
I watched Twin Peaks when it originally aired (and have rewatched it a dozen times over the decades) and have seen all of Lynch's movies more times than I can count.
I had no expectations and watch next to no modern television.
...but this series is different. It's paced like a movie in an 18 hour timeframe. I was patient through episode 9, and very much enjoyed it, but once we've hit the second half it really feels like it needs to start finding its stride and episode 10 was a disappointment in that regard.
Im hoping it's a calm before the storm sort of episode as the series crescendos into a maddening finale...but if there are more episodes like 10 I fear that might not happen.
I loved it. For me this show could go on for years in this way. But I do have the same feeling every week: 'There are only ... episodes left, we don't have much time left!!'
At this point I think I'm ready to beg for a season 4.
Show is really similar to Season 1 and beginning of Season 2 in terms of many interesting characters and subplots. How Twin Peaks would have been without ABC (and LFB) ruining it.
Altough I can't say this was a bad hour of television, I think that after treating the audience as "intelligent" and "smart" with letting us figure things out, the show is now explaining every little thing to us. Even too much.
So many things were already figured out, that seeing them explained felt like "yes, duuuh".
While many scenes are very strong if taken separately, I feel like the last two episodes were just explaining in a plain way what we already had to figure out in the first 7 episodes, so no real plot advancement there.
And over 7 minutes of Roadhouse performance at the end is just a joke. Especially after the Nine Inch Nails in the middle of episode 8 (I love the band, but hey, a whole performance in the middle of an episode is a no, just no). I could understand 3, top, functional to the closing credits. This place had its charm in the old show because it would not appear very often, and when it did, something big happened there. And Julee Cruise was there to hypnotise us with her voice and music that perfectly suited the show. Showing it so often is just ruining that charm.
Tv series are written, developed and shot in a certain way for a reason. To keep every episode interesing, to have the plot advance steadily, to give single episodes a certain underlying theme, and so on. I believe the idea of shooting the whole thing as a movie and then splitting it is showing. Also, I believe that the fact that the script was written by Frost and Lynch alone, and not by a whole room of screen-writers, might have something to do with it too.
I still enjoy the show, I like Lynch and I understand and follow the plot in case you were wondering, but I was expecting so much more... and I feel partially let down.
I "Liked" your comment, Frederico, not because I agree - not yet seen the episode - but because it's a balanced, well reasoned opinion.
One thing I really like about this place is how many different ideas and opinions are put forward without the usual factional in-fighting seen in other fan forums. Unless, of course, you start lecturing on the use of "Theory" but that's another story. Hehe.
I guess if I feel the same as you and others after watching it, I can just put it down to experience. Like buying music, for example; there are very, very few albums that don't have at least one below par track. Even Bowie let a few duds get under the wire from time to time. In fact, he did two entire albums that were mainly duds. Oh well.
I agree, I am unable to follow other TP forums due to neverending threads of people arguing on who's right or wrong. 😀
I'm sorry to hear that some people aren't quite enjoying it.
I myself, I love the Return entirely. I loved episode 10 and thought it was as strong and as consistent as any of the other episodes. We got a lot of character development, the story moved leaps compared to previous episodes, and some of the visual shots and score were superb. I am here for the ride and the experience, I am not here to feel entitled to a strictly woven spoon-fed narrative which exists on my terms. I am happy to live on Lynch's terms. I am happy to experience the full story as he intended it to be experienced. I won't call the show a dead shark based on 55% on the narrative without knowing the other 45%. It's funny how negative threads like this spawn, yet week in week out you all post on here and watch the episodes, and then in the new episode thread there's always a thread like this one.
I am certain that once all 18 episodes are out, and the entire story has developed, you will all change your tone. Like I have said before, you wouldn't read 10 chapters of an 18 chapter book which does not adhere to standard fiction codes of method, and then decide to denounce or curse the book. You would finish it, and then make a judgement based on the full piece. We don't judge the Mona Lisa from a 5 by 5 centimeter square of it. We judge the painting based on its entirety. We don't call Michelangelo's David a masterpiece based purely on the right arm, we base it on the entire piece. Patience, Patience, Patience. I feel like some people on this forum are the kind to leave queues in a mad flush if they've been waiting longer than 60 seconds. Pretty much all of the greatest films of all time are less than 3 hours long. We have 8 hours left.
Nope.
There have been moments that have run a little long for me throughout the third season, but so far it's been just how I expected it to be.
I think that maybe once you try to sit through Rabbits, that you'll put up with just about anything Lynch does, as long as you don't have to sit through Rabbits again.
Actually, after watching another full song in the middle of nowhere, I keep hoping that maybe Showtime and/or David will release some kind of a Theatrical Cut, which will be great.
Yes, Llorando was amazing at Mulholland Dr., but it was the only song for 2 and and a half hours. It's been less than that since we listen to NIN's full song. And in between we had another Au Revoir Simoine performance. That's just too much.
Plus, for me personally, some thing may work better in other order. It was strange to show how Richard deal with the consequences of killing a kid in the street three hours after that happened. He somehow lose the moment and we forgot about the guy (well, me personally). His anger spree (Miriam and mom) is amazingly shot, but would work a whole lot better if he hadn't completely disappear for what feels like an eternity. And it's not as if they don't have the time to show such scenes. It's that they give it to another Roadhouse gig.
Actually, after watching another full song in the middle of nowhere, I keep hoping that maybe Showtime and/or David will release some kind of a Theatrical Cut, which will be great.
Yes, Llorando was amazing at Mulholland Dr., but it was the only song for 2 and and a half hours. It's been less than that since we listen to NIN's full song. And in between we had another Au Revoir Simoine performance. That's just too much.
Plus, for me personally, some thing may work better in other order. It was strange to show how Richard deal with the consequences of killing a kid in the street three hours after that happened. He somehow lose the moment and we forgot about the guy (well, me personally). His anger spree (Miriam and mom) is amazingly shot, but would work a whole lot better if he hadn't completely disappear for what feels like an eternity. And it's not as if they don't have the time to show such scenes. It's that they give it to another Roadhouse gig.
I have no problem with this style of pacing. The gap in between the hit and run and today's episode gave me something to look forward to, the consequences were burning in the back of my mind, but it created a tense atmosphere throughout episodes, rather than me becoming inpatient and angry that it wasn't being developed. I guess some people just expect and get different things from different things, and no tastes are absolute.
I also love the inclusion of so much music. I am a huge music fan, and spend all time that I'm not at work/watching things listening to music. The performances so far have been very relevant, poignant, and pleasant.
I'm curious about how they will release this to buy, when it's all said and done.
I like the idea of different versions, but I'm kind of enjoying the slow, weekly pace we have now, because it's bringing me back to pre-internet days, when it felt like things were more special (because you couldn't just look them up and watch them whenever, unless you recorded them on VHS) and you had to digest them more slowly.
I'm glad for the internet now, because we can bounce theories off of each other (but not the annoying bickering on most other sites).
I have a love-hate relationship with the fact that we can look up anything to do with the show that has aired so far. It kills a little of the fun of using your imagination, to me.
I dunno; that's just one of the best parts for me, and then I come in here and a lot of you are mega fans that keep track of stuff better than I do, so a lot of the time my silly little theories get killed right away.
I'm having fun and enjoying the show either way. Really glad to have Lynch stirring up TV again.
There's no chance I'll quit - they've got me hooked - but episode 10 'got on my nerves.' Yet, of course, I also can't stop thinking about it. :->
I'm in absolute aggreement with Roberto. There is no way I'm going to stop watching. But this episode was IMO the worse yet. There were a few poignant parts, but it really felt like a lot of filler and fluff. I may be incorrect about that and I'm not saying it WAS filler and fluff, only that it felt like it to me. Definitely my least favorite thus far but I too am obsessing about it so it obviously isn't a useless waste of time and I'm quite sure there were many important details and clues that will be needed later.
I'm not exactly sure how to judge the episodes individually. They're vaguely "shaped" as individual episodes but - other than that - when I'm watching a two hours movie I don't have an opinion about individual 6 minutes fragments: every bits leads you to the next place so I tend to evaluate it as a whole. It's only then - after evaluating it as a whole - that I can go back to individual scenes and single moments and analyze what works and what doesn't and what I like/dislike in the context of the movie (again, as a whole).
Same thing is happening here: how can I say if I enjoyed this episode more or less than episode 8 or 5 or whatever?
I know that I like what I'm seeing, that I don't really have trouble following it and that I don't feel it's "slow paced". Maybe this is because the flow I'm going with is "feelings, emotions & perceptions" rather than "story & facts". And because I like to get lost in things: I'm not anxious for the narrative to lead me in a specific direction and I'm not really all that interested in clear answers
In the end, I think the whole point is about managing expectations and being able to (actively) enjoy something as opposed to (passively) expecting/demanding it to be enjoyable.
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