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(@mikepack27)
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I'm afraid my wife has a theory that seems to be correct. Many may have already came to this conclusion themselves so bare with me.

It goes like this:

Evil Cooper has Original Coop's memories and consciousness, which is why Dougie Coop cannot snap out of it - there is literally nothing there for him to snap back INTO. Evil Cooper has to die or go back to the black lodge for Original Coop to get his conciousness back. Sadly, Evil Coop will likely not be truly defeated until the last episode, which means we will not see Original Coop back on screen until the final few minutes of the last episode.

I had been thinking this whole time that Original Coop was just having to get reacclimated to the world and would slowly come back, but her theory makes a lot of sense.

Sorry guys. 🙁

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Posted : 16/07/2017 11:17 pm
(@samstanley)
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But Cooper does have memories. He remembers Laura telling him he can leave the lodge and he's clearly stirred by law enforcement imagery. 

"Give Sam Stanley the glad hand."

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Posted : 16/07/2017 11:20 pm
(@karen_paynter)
Deputy

At Dougie's work, the words AGENT & CASE FILES really caught his attention, not just repeating a word like he often does.

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 16/07/2017 11:24 pm
(@ranmacmh)
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It probably depends on what the point of season 3 is, don't you think?  If the entire season is about getting Dale back then yeah, probably going to be the last or one of the last scenes.  If the point of season 3 is to deal with the larger problem of Bob and Laura then we may see him sooner.  They are doing so much going on with the Twin Peaks mythology it seems like there is something bigger than the return of Cooper to deal with before we close.

 

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Posted : 17/07/2017 3:22 am
(@zodas)
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If the point of season 3 is just to get Dale back then I pray there is a season 4.

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Posted : 17/07/2017 3:38 am
(@fishinthepercolator)
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I've got this other idea that we will see some good, sane, Cooper back. How much I don't know, but I believe the scene at the beginning of part 1, when the Giant is talking to Coop and tells him the Richard and Linda thing is from the future, as they seem to be in the same place we saw in episode 8 with Senorita Dido and the Giant himself and not in the Lodge as one could've assumed. So this is good Dale who finally has regained his faculties, getting instructions from the Giant and maybe going back to accomplish his mission. When will that happen I have no idea, maybe it has something to do with the dates and places described in Major Briggs, maybe Lynch is so much of a troll that he'll do it at the very end of the show to leave us with another cliffhanger.

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Posted : 17/07/2017 5:32 am
(@bob-john)
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I think his brain was fried when going through the outlet.  Presumably, you would normally enter/exit the Lodge by seeking out a time opening and that's much less stressful.  And presumably the doppleganger and original of someone cannot coexist in our dimension.

I think there's enough of Coop in Dougie like brought up by others (evocative recognition or things, red shoes, case files, badges, gun pointing), but there's so much missing because Mr. C is inhabiting dopple Coop's body.

I agree with FITP, I think that early scene would chronologically appear much later and we're not there yet, but I do think it's coming in the next 2 episodes (10/1 and 10/2 by my reckoning) or maybe the next 1 or 2 after that 😛

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Posted : 17/07/2017 12:06 pm
(@fumiko)
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The real question though is how can "Evil Cooper" be defeated?  We've seen him take slugs to the chest and he just gets up (after some blue doctors do a weird ritual on him) and keep going.  So how do you "kill" him?  Can a doppleganger lodge entity be killed?  Mike seemed to suggest so, but it would be nice if he let us in on how?  

I have a totally different theory.  This show seems to be about several high-arching themes. One of them has to do obviously with people being either unable or unwilling to confront evil in it's various forms.  It's so much easier to pretend the problems don't exist, or to distract ourselves with our daily lives, going through the motions, then to really take the time to understand what is happening and try to solve things; no matter how painful they may be.  

Another theme could kind of be seen as this notion of selfishness and selflessness.  If we look at just last night's episode, we see this wonderfully juxtaposed between the character of Miriam, who lives extremely modestly in her tiny trailer, one would suspect of a very meager income (which she earns teaching children), yet we also know she tips "generously", more than she can afford to give.  She's the quintessential "giver" who cares as much about others as she does herself.  

Then there was Richard Horne, who doesn't care about anyone at all except himself.  The monstrous animal who ran over a child rather than be forced to wait a few moments at a red light, and then sat there arguing/talking with himself, justifying what he'd done immediately afterwards rather than man-up and face the consequences of what he'd done.  And now, he's of course running away - headed in the opposite direction of where he should be going to fix himself and the lives he's ruined.  

So how does this tie-in with Coop?  Well, he's one of the few genuine, good souls out there.  I have a bad feeling that Coop, as Dougie, may have to make some sort of extreme sacrifice in order for Bad Coop to die.   The extent to which Dougie/Coop realizes the ramifications of such a choice would be a thoroughly interesting conundrum, would it not? 

 

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Posted : 17/07/2017 2:02 pm
(@meaxylon)
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Posted by: kdawg68

The real question though is how can "Evil Cooper" be defeated?  We've seen him take slugs to the chest and he just gets up (after some blue doctors do a weird ritual on him) and keep going.  So how do you "kill" him?  Can a doppleganger lodge entity be killed?  Mike seemed to suggest so, but it would be nice if he let us in on how?  

I have a totally different theory.  This show seems to be about several high-arching themes. One of them has to do obviously with people being either unable or unwilling to confront evil in it's various forms.  It's so much easier to pretend the problems don't exist, or to distract ourselves with our daily lives, going through the motions, then to really take the time to understand what is happening and try to solve things; no matter how painful they may be.  

Another theme could kind of be seen as this notion of selfishness and selflessness.  If we look at just last night's episode, we see this wonderfully juxtaposed between the character of Miriam, who lives extremely modestly in her tiny trailer, one would suspect of a very meager income (which she earns teaching children), yet we also know she tips "generously", more than she can afford to give.  She's the quintessential "giver" who cares as much about others as she does herself.  

Then there was Richard Horne, who doesn't care about anyone at all except himself.  The monstrous animal who ran over a child rather than be forced to wait a few moments at a red light, and then sat there arguing/talking with himself, justifying what he'd done immediately afterwards rather than man-up and face the consequences of what he'd done.  And now, he's of course running away - headed in the opposite direction of where he should be going to fix himself and the lives he's ruined.  

So how does this tie-in with Coop?  Well, he's one of the few genuine, good souls out there.  I have a bad feeling that Coop, as Dougie, may have to make some sort of extreme sacrifice in order for Bad Coop to die.   The extent to which Dougie/Coop realizes the ramifications of such a choice would be a thoroughly interesting conundrum, would it not? 

 

I've had similar train of thoughts. I'm thinking that only the good Cooper can defeat the bad Cooper. In a way his Doppelganger is a part of him, or a reflection of him. Without him, there would be no Doppel. I also keep going back to what Hawk says in an earlier season about the Black Lodge and "The dweller on the threshold" and that one must face the dweller on the threshold with "perfect courage". I think this is what Cooper must do, face his Doppel, the evil version of himself. 

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Posted : 17/07/2017 2:11 pm
(@fishinthepercolator)
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Posted by: kdawg68

The real question though is how can "Evil Cooper" be defeated?  We've seen him take slugs to the chest and he just gets up (after some blue doctors do a weird ritual on him) and keep going.  So how do you "kill" him?

 

Aim at the head, that Ray fucker! Jokes aside, very nice post, considering part 8 and this last episode, I have the idea that one of the possible answers could be "Laura is the one". Which may not necessarily mean that she can kill him, but she's somehow necessary to kill him. But also whether Bob is still with the doppelganger or not could be key. Did the woodsmen come to his aid only because Bob was inside him? Will they do the same if Bob's not with him anymore?

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Posted : 17/07/2017 2:29 pm
(@samxtherapy)
Detective

"Bare" with you?  Eww, no thanks.

Anyhow yer theory is wrong.  That is all. ?

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 17/07/2017 2:37 pm
(@amroukithkin)
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Posted by: Michael Packer

 

(...) Evil Cooper has Original Coop's memories and consciousness,

Well of course he does, he's a doppleganger!

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Posted : 17/07/2017 4:57 pm
(@daledougahole)
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From memory, that was to pass through to the white lodge, was it not? Where as in the final ep of season 2, Coop ran away.

Dad, dug another hole! It's filling up with water.

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Posted : 18/07/2017 6:32 am
(@meaxylon)
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Posted by: Dale Doug a hole

From memory, that was to pass through to the white lodge, was it not? Where as in the final ep of season 2, Coop ran away.

He ran away (i.e. didn't face his doppel with "perfect courage") so now he's in part responsible for the doppel being outside. Coop has to do right what he didn't do last time, to stop the doppel.

Although I have to say, aim at the head might be correct since that's where doppelcoop aims, that and all the beheading going on.

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Posted : 18/07/2017 6:40 am
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