I know this is going a little off-topic and starting to get into a contentious issue, but...
As someone who lives in a small town in rural England, I find the over-use of guns a bit off-putting. You have an argument with someone in a cafe and they immediately point a gun at your face?
Maybe I live an overly sheltered life in my quiet, sleepy part of the world, but I'm not sure I've ever actually seen anyone with a gun. That sounds like a ridiculous thing to say, I know, but I'm racking my brains trying to think of a time when I actually saw someone holding a gun, and I don't think I can.
I know that if I'm going to choose something unrealistic to pick on about The Return, guns is a very minor issue, but it's just something that occurred to me last night while watching it. I mean, people shouldn't even be walking around with guns in the first place, never mind over-reacting by pulling it out and pointing it at someone as soon as they dare to say "boo" to them.
Come on, let's all put the guns away, hold hands, and have a good old sing song...
I am surprised that you live "in rural England" and have never seen a gun. What about people who use them for pest control, clay pigeon shooting, pheasant shoots, rabbit hunting, and target shooting? Or armed police in airports?
I live in England too. I had a firearms certificate at 17, for fullbore target rifle, a very enjoyable shooting discipline.
Perhaps you meant pistols and I have misunderstood you.
This is really nothing to do with part 17 or 18. I live in the US and grew up in rural England. You aren't saying anything new, and you aren't saying it to anyone with the authority to act upon it.
It was a tired stereotype portraying Texas males as cowboy-hat-wearing, gun-toting, waitress-abusing rednecks.
That whole scene was pretty sloppily written, as an FBI agent:
1. Wouldn't shoot a guy in the foot
2. Wouldn't wave his gun around with his trigger finger inside the trigger guard (you hold your finger outside the trigger guard so that you don't accidentally fire the gun if you're startled and reflexively close your hand)
3. Leave weapons on the scene, even if he dropped them in a deep fryer
4. Drop the guns in the deep fryer without first removing the magazines and the chambered rounds
1) Who knows what "Cooper" would or wouldn't do in this "reality". Especially when his mission is to save the world from the mother of evil. He is clearly already not following any protocols.
2) Is this more Richard than Cooper?
3) Not exactly time to handle everything by the book.
4) He did in fact state the danger of that when he did it.
Oh come on!! The "gun fight"'scene in Ep 16 is one of the best "road rage"'scenes in TV or movies ever!! (Except Jenifer Jason Leigh died as she's still hot). . .
Oh come on!! The "gun fight"'scene in Ep 16 is one of the best "road rage"'scenes in TV or movies ever!! (Except Jenifer Jason Leigh died as she's still hot). . .
I fully concur! With everything.
I REALLY hate it when people park in front of my driveway.
Hutch should have bought Chantal a big bag of Cheetos rather than those snack sized bags.
Hutch should have bought Chantal a big bag of Cheetos rather than those snack sized bags.
Right? What's with those goofy little packages of Cheesy Crunchees or whatever they're called?! Their fate would have been very different had they just bought the Costco sized bag.
Hutch should have bought Chantal a big bag of Cheetos rather than those snack sized bags.
Right? What's with those goofy little packages of Cheesy Crunchees or whatever they're called?! Their fate would have been very different had they just bought the Costco sized bag.
Especially because she was hormonal. I can say this because we're women. : )
Hutch should have bought Chantal a big bag of Cheetos rather than those snack sized bags.
Right? What's with those goofy little packages of Cheesy Crunchees or whatever they're called?! Their fate would have been very different had they just bought the Costco sized bag.
Especially because she was hormonal. I can say this because we're women. : )
Sometimes a woman just has to have her cheesy poofs!
It was a tired stereotype portraying Texas males as cowboy-hat-wearing, gun-toting, waitress-abusing rednecks.
That whole scene was pretty sloppily written, as an FBI agent:
1. Wouldn't shoot a guy in the foot
2. Wouldn't wave his gun around with his trigger finger inside the trigger guard (you hold your finger outside the trigger guard so that you don't accidentally fire the gun if you're startled and reflexively close your hand)
3. Leave weapons on the scene, even if he dropped them in a deep fryer
4. Drop the guns in the deep fryer without first removing the magazines and the chambered rounds
Which to me made it obvious he was no longer an FBI agent, he was or was becoming Richard.
I am surprised that you live "in rural England" and have never seen a gun. What about people who use them for pest control, clay pigeon shooting, pheasant shoots, rabbit hunting, and target shooting? Or armed police in airports?
I live in England too. I had a firearms certificate at 17, for fullbore target rifle, a very enjoyable shooting discipline.
Perhaps you meant pistols and I have misunderstood you.
Yes, sorry, I meant hand guns. You are absolutely right, I have seen people with shotguns shooting birds. I have even come across two men with shotguns when I was trespassing on their land.
Sorry I wasn't more specific. It's funny how my brain automatically disregarded shotguns for bird shooting. I was thinking hand guns that people carry around with them and then pull out as soon as someone argues with them.
This is really nothing to do with part 17 or 18. I live in the US and grew up in rural England. You aren't saying anything new, and you aren't saying it to anyone with the authority to act upon it.
Well, I wouldn't say it had NOTHING to do with parts 17 or 18, since I was reacting to the gun action in Part 18. But I take your point. Sorry for wasting your time.
This is really nothing to do with part 17 or 18. I live in the US and grew up in rural England. You aren't saying anything new, and you aren't saying it to anyone with the authority to act upon it.
Well, I wouldn't say it had NOTHING to do with parts 17 or 18, since I was reacting to the gun action in Part 18. But I take your point. Sorry for wasting your time.
I saw your point and understood your correlation.
What is happening to this forum?
The Return was clearly dealing with guns proliferation in America as a subtext. I'm guessing this has Frost's fingerprints on it more than Lynch. Still if someone has an issue with an American show dealing with something that is very real in America (lets set aside any thoughts about what the show might have to say about it for the moment), how did you get this far watching Lynch and Twin Peaks? This is a show that has dealt with sexual abuse and incest head on. You could take the idea expressed in the original post and say something very similar about that theme. "There's too much incest in this show for my liking. I've never known a father to rape his daughter. Fathers shouldn't go around raping their daughters.".
If all characters in a fictional work behaved in idealistic ways, it unfortunately wouldn't make for very compelling and realistic fictions. Because there is ugliness in life, and art has a right to deal with this ugliness head on. I'd actually say there's incredible value in art that tackles difficult, issues involving pain and suffering (*garmonbozia).
I think if there was a show that took place in a sleepy, small town in England, it would be unrealistic if people had guns. Sadly, this is not the case in America.
The Return was clearly dealing with guns proliferation in America as a subtext. I'm guessing this has Frost's fingerprints on it more than Lynch. Still if someone has an issue with an American show dealing with something that is very real in America (lets set aside any thoughts about what the show might have to say about it for the moment), how did you get this far watching Lynch and Twin Peaks? This is a show that has dealt with sexual abuse and incest head on. You could take the idea expressed in the original post and say something very similar about that theme. "There's too much incest in this show for my liking. I've never known a father to rape his daughter. Fathers shouldn't go around raping their daughters.".
If all characters in a fictional work behaved in idealistic ways, it unfortunately wouldn't make for very compelling and realistic fictions. Because there is ugliness in life, and art has a right to deal with this ugliness head on. I'd actually say there's incredible value in art that tackles difficult, issues involving pain and suffering (*garmonbozia).
I think if there was a show that took place in a sleepy, small town in England, it would be unrealistic if people had guns. Sadly, this is not the case in America.
Well said.
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