Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
The way I read it at the time was that he started looking into the old files pertaining to Cooper, perhaps came across the Owl Cave map and realized it was again time for the lodge to be opening. So, "something is supposed to happen tonight." He and the log are on the same page.
We see the curtains at Glastonbury Grove, and then cut to inside of the lodge. Cooper can't leave because his doppleganger has not returned like he was supposed to. So, what was supposed to happen was that, and then the Good Cooper exiting the lodge. Of course, that didn't happen, so now it is on to what I think is Plan B and that leads to the Dougie stuff. And, I am presuming Hawk did not know WHAT was supposed to happen - just "something."
If all of that is right, then it is possible that Hawk went out there in sequence with the other events we have seen, and simply didn't witness anything except perhaps the curtains appearing. He might even have stopped at Margaret's for pie after. Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean in didn't happen.
Alternately, maybe people are right and this was out of sequence, in which case there may be more to the story. Given the likelihood that the American Girl's watch read Saturday the 1st, and what we know now from Briggs' note about Oct 1st, I am a bit more open to the possibility. But, still, Glastonbury Grove is NOT Jack Rabbit's Palace, so there is that...
I don't know.
There's (should be) always a plan Bee !
What about his words of "Something's supposed to be happening tonight?"
it means it's LUPUS !
What about his words of "Something's supposed to be happening tonight?"
See, that's significant enough I'm not prepared to be satisfied with a Hugh Laurie gif.
We've already seen that certain scenes are presented to us out of sequence. I'm prepared to believe this scene is one of them.
Of course, I'm prepared to be wrong.
preps is halve the work they say ?
The way I read it at the time was that he started looking into the old files pertaining to Cooper, perhaps came across the Owl Cave map and realized it was again time for the lodge to be opening. So, "something is supposed to happen tonight." He and the log are on the same page.
We see the curtains at Glastonbury Grove, and then cut to inside of the lodge. Cooper can't leave because his doppleganger has not returned like he was supposed to. So, what was supposed to happen was that, and then the Good Cooper exiting the lodge. Of course, that didn't happen, so now it is on to what I think is Plan B and that leads to the Dougie stuff. And, I am presuming Hawk did not know WHAT was supposed to happen - just "something."
If all of that is right, then it is possible that Hawk went out there in sequence with the other events we have seen, and simply didn't witness anything except perhaps the curtains appearing. He might even have stopped at Margaret's for pie after. Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean in didn't happen.
Alternately, maybe people are right and this was out of sequence, in which case there may be more to the story. Given the likelihood that the American Girl's watch read Saturday the 1st, and what we know now from Briggs' note about Oct 1st, I am a bit more open to the possibility. But, still, Glastonbury Grove is NOT Jack Rabbit's Palace, so there is that...
I don't know.
I think your first analysis is how I view the events.
I'm not sure what the point is of showing scenes in a non-linear order, other than to get the audience confused. What else would the purpose be? Or it could be that who ever is incharge in the cutting room, is starting to get old and senile. Like the use of the allready shown footage of Dr Jacoby's rant in ep. 12. Somebody simply forgot it had been shown earlier.
But I'm with you, Myn0k, it is possible it did take place right there and then, in the "normal timeline". But the question still remains: Why was he there?
Take out foreshadowing and the ability to make educated predictions, it's a whole new experience.
Yes, I'm glad you said that. To me, watching Twin Peaks is a lot like a meditation exercise, i.e. without the thinker or expectation. I don't try to analyse too much (or at all) when I watch an episode. I just let the experience flow through, without any expectation, as a neutral observer. I've never done this with a TV series before.
Afterwards, that's when I start thinking about it, from my perspective of identity/rational form of thinking.
I know that's not what you said, but there was something meditative about the sentence I latched on to :/
"from my perspective of identity/rational form of thinking. "
NO one is "neutral"
I was watching part 2 again t'other day, and the scene with Hawk in the woods stuck out to me.
That scene has always seemed kind of odd in retrospect, as he's never mentioned finding the portal to the black lodge to anyone. And.... I dunno... he makes a (seemingly) off-hand remark to Margaret about, "Something's supposed to be happening here tonight."
Fast forward to where we're at now, and with the awareness that we're not always seeing scenes in a linear fashion, and I'm wondering if that scene takes place on the night of the Jack Rabbits Palace sojourn?
I'm not sure why it's just Hawk, but maybe he gets separated from Truman and Bobby?
Hi Matthew,
Ever since that scene, Hawk has been replaced by a doppelganger. =:-O
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As it stands, appears there have been (aside from the out-of-chronological-order or parallel-present-moment timelines) a few very likely flash-forwards - Hawk in the woods and ??????? & Cooper in the "white lodge" in part 1. Indicates that these are key (will be resolved) scenes. Other possible flash-forwards?
There's the scene in which Andy makes the failed appointment with the "farmer" who owned the truck with which Richard ran over the kid. His watch said it was the 10th, which would put this event (and, indeed, all the events relating to the hit-and-run) before or after the scenes in Twin Peaks relating to Briggs' message as well as timelines in Las Vegas and South Dakota that relate to each other.
Or else the date on Andy's watch is just wrong. Not impossible, given Lucy's "we lost track of time" story.
There's the scene in which Andy makes the failed appointment with the "farmer" who owned the truck with which Richard ran over the kid. His watch said it was the 10th, which would put this event (and, indeed, all the events relating to the hit-and-run) before or after the scenes in Twin Peaks relating to Briggs' message as well as timelines in Las Vegas and South Dakota that relate to each other.
Or else the date on Andy's watch is just wrong. Not impossible, given Lucy's "we lost track of time" story.
Lucy's comment is interesting as it may suggest a greater hint at time being all over the place.
I'm not a big fan of the "skewed timelines" theory. If things have happened "out of time" in Twin Peaks, they have generally stood out, like the Annie Blackburn and Philip Jeffries apparitions in FWWM. It could be that the opening episodes were spiced with future events.
One idea is that the scene happened there and then, but Hawk simply does not remember. Given that Gordon et al. had hard time remembering what they saw in and around the vortex, it seems one possibility. Dougie-Coop appears to have some memory problems too.
I really like the idea that Truman (maybe Both Truman) and Bobby are just out of sight. Maybe taking care of someone? Maybe Coop who is back to his old self is week because he is so close to the lodge and is slowing down? Maybe Harry is there and is sick and they tend to him, but Hawk knows there is a specific time they need to get to the sycamores.
I'm not a big fan of the "skewed timelines" theory. If things have happened "out of time" in Twin Peaks, they have generally stood out, like the Annie Blackburn and Philip Jeffries apparitions in FWWM. It could be that the opening episodes were spiced with future events.
One idea is that the scene happened there and then, but Hawk simply does not remember. Given that Gordon et al. had hard time remembering what they saw in and around the vortex, it seems one possibility. Dougie-Coop appears to have some memory problems too.
I am with you on the timelines thing. I don't think time is messed up in Twin Peaks or that scenes are being shown in a random order. I think we're being presented with a series of scenes, one particular thread, in reverse chronological order, which makes everything else feel off along with it.
But we DO see him find something. He sees the portal (the pit), and the red curtains start billowing.
Yes this scene is defiantly out of sequence, together with a long line of other scenes in the whole series.
I find it cool tho, and it makes you think more than traditional story telling.
And also...Is it future or is it past?
It's all a loop, anyways.
Margaret's last phone conversation with Hawk... didn't she ask what he had found? and he couldn't tell her??? That led me to believe Hawk was on top of the situation.
I'm glad for all the great ideas shared in this thread. I've been reminded of a scene from way back when... Special Agent Dale Cooper is speaking directly to Deputy Hawk> and says something like, "Hawk, if I'm ever lost, I hope you're the one that finds me."
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