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(@ame-solitaire)
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Quote : Season 2, episode 10 (Dispute between brothers). Cooper says farewell to the TP police personnel, just before he gets suspended from the FBI.
«Deputy Hawk, if I'm ever lost, I hope you'r the man they send to find me.»

«That's the kind of girl to make you wish you spoke a little French».
- Gordon Cole.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 4:00 pm natural log - E liked
(@jeffery_m_thompson)
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This referencing to scenes in TP Season 2. I just rewatched Season 2 Episode 22 and am floored by the parallel between Jesse and Pete in the scene in The Return Episode 11, I mentioned before I thought Jesse had the speech mannerism of Pete, but it really shows. Those references to past scenes are very strong. Also, I think Season 2 Episode 22 the first scene is the last scene we have with Hawk until now. 

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Posted : 11/08/2017 4:22 pm natural log - E and Ame Solitaire liked
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

I'm not sure what the point is of showing scenes in a non-linear order, other than to get the audience confused. What else would the purpose be?

The Diane podcast suggest that confusion is part of the aesthetic sensibility of The ReturnThe purpose could be to suggest that for Hawk and the Log Lady, as much as the rest of us, the Black Lodge can seem bewildering and frightening. 

 

The theory that the Lodge leads to memory loss also seems quite palpable.

Your Laura disappeared. There's just me now.

This has been a message...from the LOG.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 6:37 pm
(@michael_benedetti)
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My thought was that was where and when Agent Cooper was to return to the world as Bob was returned to the Lodge in the original plan.  Those events did not occur.  Hawk had only an intimation that something was supposed to occur, but nothing happened and Hawk put it out of his mind

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Posted : 11/08/2017 6:41 pm
(@samxtherapy)
Detective

All this makes me think that saying Twin Peaks is confusing is like going to North Korea and saying it's a bit bleak.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 11/08/2017 6:52 pm
(@mj_gilbert)
Deputy

Let's hope it doesn't get bleaker soon. TP more confusing? Ummmm...

 

ok.

I AM the FBI.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 6:54 pm natural log - E liked
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I doubt Dwayne Dunham has gone senile, au contraire. Playing around with time isn't a new thing. Flashbacks are common fare, have been for years.

Memento and 21 Grams present us with an odd play with time certainly how it's presented to us. Arguably DL et al are broadening the scope of that notion.

I'm personally happy to let it be and see how it plays out in the last 5 parts.

In terms of Hawk. I was a little surprised he was out there on his own in part 2. Given how creepy that place is, there's no way I would be in those woods on my own. I don't even walk around our land which has majestic Kauri trees all over it as well as Nikau and Ponga. I've got a spot within there which I call the Blue Lodge which is full of laughter and joy. 

I think he's either kept it to himself, for good reason, on a strictly need to know basis, given how staunch he was about Frank not pursuing what appears to be the symbol for the Experiment, or it's a conversation they've had while we weren't there, because we don't need to know yet. I bet the former...

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Posted : 11/08/2017 6:56 pm natural log - E liked
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

All this makes me think that saying Twin Peaks is confusing is like going to North Korea and saying it's a bit bleak. 

There are many stories in Twin Peaks: some of them are sad, some funny. Some of them are stories of madness, of violence. Some are ordinary. Yet they all have about them a sense of mystery—the mystery of life, sometimes the mystery of death. The mystery of the woods—the woods surrounding Twin Peaks. 

 

There are many stories in North Korea: some of them are sad, some funny. Some of them are stories of madness, of violence. Some are ordinary. Yet they all have about them a sense of bleakness—the bleakness of life, sometimes the bleakness of death. The bleakness of the Russia and South Korea—the other nations and bodies of water surrounding North Korea.

Your Laura disappeared. There's just me now.

This has been a message...from the LOG.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 7:02 pm MJ Gilbert and SamXTherapy liked
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert

Let's hope it doesn't get bleaker soon. TP more confusing? Ummmm...

 

ok.

If Agent Orange and FatBoy Kim get going, everything is going to be bleak soon.

And yes, Twin Peaks is sometimes confusing, not always, not always by much, and not always to the same people, but it is.  Plenty of threads here are testament to that.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 11/08/2017 7:07 pm natural log - E liked
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Posted by: Colin Basterfield

I doubt Dwayne Dunham has gone senile, au contraire. Playing around with time isn't a new thing. Flashbacks are common fare, have been for years.

Memento and 21 Grams present us with an odd play with time certainly how it's presented to us. Arguably DL et al are broadening the scope of that notion.

I'm personally happy to let it be and see how it plays out in the last 5 parts.

In terms of Hawk. I was a little surprised he was out there on his own in part 2. Given how creepy that place is, there's no way I would be in those woods on my own. I don't even walk around our land which has majestic Kauri trees all over it as well as Nikau and Ponga. I've got a spot within there which I call the Blue Lodge which is full of laughter and joy. 

I think he's either kept it to himself, for good reason, on a strictly need to know basis, given how staunch he was about Frank not pursuing what appears to be the symbol for the Experiment, or it's a conversation they've had while we weren't there, because we don't need to know yet. I bet the former...

Knowing how much Hawk trusts and respects Margaret, I bet he's not telling out of regard for her safety and/or sanity.  And probably because cellphone conversations aren't in the least bit secure.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 11/08/2017 7:15 pm buttercup and natural log - E liked
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Posted by: MJ Gilbert

Let's hope it doesn't get bleaker soon. TP more confusing? Ummmm...

 

ok.

Didn't say "More" confusing.  Read me post again, MJ.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 11/08/2017 7:17 pm
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Knowing how much Hawk trusts and respects Margaret, I bet he's not telling out of regard for her safety and/or sanity.  And probably because cellphone conversations aren't in the least bit secure.

Not to mention the fact that the Log Lady says to Hawk in a later conversation that he never told her what he found.

Your Laura disappeared. There's just me now.

This has been a message...from the LOG.

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Posted : 11/08/2017 9:39 pm
(@ric_bissell)
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Posted by: Colin Basterfield

Playing around with time isn't a new thing. Flashbacks are common fare, have been for years.

Memento...

Hi Colin,

That is one great, great movie.  If anyone reading this hasn't seen it yet, correct that mistake now!

😉

- /< /\ /> -

That's strange - even for Cooper

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Posted : 11/08/2017 11:29 pm
(@devaneyfan)
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Posted by: natural log - E

Knowing how much Hawk trusts and respects Margaret, I bet he's not telling out of regard for her safety and/or sanity.  And probably because cellphone conversations aren't in the least bit secure.

Not to mention the fact that the Log Lady says to Hawk in a later conversation that he never told her what he found.

I assumed he was referring to the diary pages.  Margaret told him something was missing and his heritage was related to how he would find it.  She knew he found that missing something but he couldn't tell her what it was.

His boss probably wouldn't approve of releasing newly discovered evidence to a woman who was banned from entering the police station for reasons related to her perceived mental health.  Hawk's concern about his pension prevented him from telling Margaret about the pages when Truman was listening.  I bet he tells her about them when he stops by for coffee and doughnuts in a night or two.  

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Posted : 12/08/2017 1:18 am buttercup liked
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Something did happen. It was the last scene of The Return. 

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Posted : 11/09/2017 5:22 pm
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