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I was watching part 2 again t'other day, and the scene with Hawk in the woods stuck out to me.
That scene has always seemed kind of odd in retrospect, as he's never mentioned finding the portal to the black lodge to anyone. And.... I dunno... he makes a (seemingly) off-hand remark to Margaret about, "Something's supposed to be happening here tonight."
Fast forward to where we're at now, and with the awareness that we're not always seeing scenes in a linear fashion, and I'm wondering if that scene takes place on the night of the Jack Rabbits Palace sojourn?
I'm not sure why it's just Hawk, but maybe he gets separated from Truman and Bobby?
I dunno. What are your thoughts?
That scene has always struck me as odd, and as things progress, definitely out of place. He goes out there searching, we never see him find anything or give up, and we never hear about it again. So you may be on to something with the idea that it is happening on 10/1 or 10/2 and has been separated from the group for whatever reason.
"Is it feeyouture? or is it passst ? "
Is it possible that it did happen in the normal timeline, and he's not telling anyone because he sees himself as some sort of protector of the lodge entrance and doesn't want to discuss it with anyone?
I'm sure he went to the lodge entrance many times with Sheriff Truman following the events of the original series. Truman saw his friend Coop disappear and reappear through that entrance. And saw Coop come out a very changed person. He would have examined it in more detail to determine if it was a dangerous thing to have in his town. And I'm sure he would have taken his most trusted officer to investigate with him.
I'm not saying hawk is a bad guy. I'm just saying he will be well aware of the entrance already. And perhaps he's keeping it from Briggs and the other sheriff Truman for a reason.
Is it possible that it did happen in the normal timeline, and he's not telling anyone because he sees himself as some sort of protector of the lodge entrance and doesn't want to discuss it with anyone?
I'm sure he went to the lodge entrance many times with Sheriff Truman following the events of the original series. Truman saw his friend Coop disappear and reappear through that entrance. And saw Coop come out a very changed person. He would have examined it in more detail to determine if it was a dangerous thing to have in his town. And I'm sure he would have taken his most trusted officer to investigate with him.
I'm not saying hawk is a bad guy. I'm just saying he will be well aware of the entrance already. And perhaps he's keeping it from Briggs and the other sheriff Truman for a reason.
What about his words of "Something's supposed to be happening tonight?"
I'm not sure what the point is of showing scenes in a non-linear order, other than to get the audience confused. What else would the purpose be? Or it could be that who ever is incharge in the cutting room, is starting to get old and senile. Like the use of the allready shown footage of Dr Jacoby's rant in ep. 12. Somebody simply forgot it had been shown earlier.
But I'm with you, Myn0k, it is possible it did take place right there and then, in the "normal timeline". But the question still remains: Why was he there?
What about his words of "Something's supposed to be happening tonight?"
I'm not sure what the point is of showing scenes in a non-linear order, other than to get the audience confused. What else would the purpose be? Or it could be that who ever is incharge in the cutting room, is starting to get old and senile. Like the use of the allready shown footage of Dr Jacoby's rant in ep. 12. Somebody simply forgot it had been shown earlier.
But I'm with you, Myn0k, it is possible it did take place right there and then, in the "normal timeline". But the question still remains: Why was he there?
It tells a story from a different perspective, almost tells a different story. Also creates an almost whole new reality.
Take out foreshadowing and the ability to make educated predictions, it's a whole new experience.
What about his words of "Something's supposed to be happening tonight?"
See, that's significant enough I'm not prepared to be satisfied with a Hugh Laurie gif.
We've already seen that certain scenes are presented to us out of sequence. I'm prepared to believe this scene is one of them.
Of course, I'm prepared to be wrong.
I'm not sure what the point is of showing scenes in a non-linear order, other than to get the audience confused. What else would the purpose be? Or it could be that who ever is incharge in the cutting room, is starting to get old and senile. Like the use of the allready shown footage of Dr Jacoby's rant in ep. 12. Somebody simply forgot it had been shown earlier.
But I'm with you, Myn0k, it is possible it did take place right there and then, in the "normal timeline". But the question still remains: Why was he there?
Take out foreshadowing and the ability to make educated predictions, it's a whole new experience.
Yes, I'm glad you said that. To me, watching Twin Peaks is a lot like a meditation exercise, i.e. without the thinker or expectation. I don't try to analyse too much (or at all) when I watch an episode. I just let the experience flow through, without any expectation, as a neutral observer. I've never done this with a TV series before.
Afterwards, that's when I start thinking about it, from my perspective of identity/rational form of thinking.
I know that's not what you said, but there was something meditative about the sentence I latched on to :/
What about his words of "Something's supposed to be happening tonight?"
See, that's significant enough I'm not prepared to be satisfied with a Hugh Laurie gif.
We've already seen that certain scenes are presented to us out of sequence. I'm prepared to believe this scene is one of them.
Of course, I'm prepared to be wrong.
Well, if Hugh Laurie doesn't have the answer then I don't want to know 😉
But seriously, I am stumped. I don't know. I am also a bit reserved when it comes to the timeline being out /skewed theory. To me, a lot of it is just general timeline differences you get in a series or film. However, I'm fully expecting to be completely proven wrong in this 🙂
Perhaps he is holding it back (as suggested above), and because he saw what it did did to Cooper, he told new Truman "That is something you never want to know about" during the scene with the map.
hmm.... maybe when Hawk/Bobby/Truman/(bookhouseboys??) go out to Jackrabbits Palace, Hawk will "betray" them, tie them up somewhere, and go to the entrance himself. He will hold the others back to protect them and go face the Red Room himself??? Hurry up and get here finale!
I think it's a good call that it could be out of sequence with events as we've seen them. I almost forgot about that scene. Bobby and Frank could be just behind him too or dealing with someone we don't know about.
Also just because we saw red curtains doesn't necessarily mean Hawk saw them. Not everything is visible to everyone.
I'm glad you brought that up though because that is a great catch, definitely need to spend some time sorting out the timelines.
The way I read it at the time was that he started looking into the old files pertaining to Cooper, perhaps came across the Owl Cave map and realized it was again time for the lodge to be opening. So, "something is supposed to happen tonight." He and the log are on the same page.
We see the curtains at Glastonbury Grove, and then cut to inside of the lodge. Cooper can't leave because his doppleganger has not returned like he was supposed to. So, what was supposed to happen was that, and then the Good Cooper exiting the lodge. Of course, that didn't happen, so now it is on to what I think is Plan B and that leads to the Dougie stuff. And, I am presuming Hawk did not know WHAT was supposed to happen - just "something."
If all of that is right, then it is possible that Hawk went out there in sequence with the other events we have seen, and simply didn't witness anything except perhaps the curtains appearing. He might even have stopped at Margaret's for pie after. Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean in didn't happen.
Alternately, maybe people are right and this was out of sequence, in which case there may be more to the story. Given the likelihood that the American Girl's watch read Saturday the 1st, and what we know now from Briggs' note about Oct 1st, I am a bit more open to the possibility. But, still, Glastonbury Grove is NOT Jack Rabbit's Palace, so there is that...
I don't know.
I'm not sure what the point is of showing scenes in a non-linear order, other than to get the audience confused. What else would the purpose be? Or it could be that who ever is incharge in the cutting room, is starting to get old and senile. Like the use of the allready shown footage of Dr Jacoby's rant in ep. 12. Somebody simply forgot it had been shown earlier.
But I'm with you, Myn0k, it is possible it did take place right there and then, in the "normal timeline". But the question still remains: Why was he there?
Really?
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