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I watched the episode 10 scene a couple of times. Gordon opens the door & sees Laura crying. We then see him as if from Albert's p-o-v, and Laura is more transparent, but now facing this way.
I thought that Albert might have seen her - but the way he looks behind him to indicate that Gordon's staring at something would indicate that he can't see her.
So why do we get Laura's face overlaid on Gordon's looking out of the room? He was staring at her facing him, and she wasn't appearing/appealing to Albert
I saw the scene as a warning.
What is she warning him about though?
The cynic in me would say that Albert can't be trusted. He appeared in the doorway just after the vision. But I love Albert - so refuse to believe he would do any wrong!
I also immediately saw Laura's appearance as a warning to Gordon that Albert is not to be trusted.
We have some loose ends in the Albert canon to date:
1) He admitted to Gordon that he had given the name of an FBI agent in South America to Mr C, that agent later turning up dead.
2) He called out Gordon on his hearing aid: "You heard me".
Does anyone else thinks there is a connection between these 3 images?
Does anyone else thinks there is a connection between these 3 images?
I think that's a stretch. It comes from an inquisitive, healthy mind, but let there be no doubt; it's a stretch.
The image flips because we are first seeing it from inside the room, from Gordon's POV, and then we are seeing it from the OTHER SIDE, and seeing Gordon SEEING it from the hallway. It is like the image is a transparency.
And that's through the Doors of Perception! 😉
Isn't it chants instead of chance?
There's a yrev, very good chance it's actually "chance". 😉
While I would never want to subject your interpretation or enjoyment of the show with it being chance as oppose to chants, for me it's always been chants as in once chants out between two worlds (the phrase) - Fire walk with me. I also believe it's written in TSHOTP somewhere. That said, maybe it's meant to be ambiguous, but I personally don't think so. 🙂
Hi Colin,
Here is the first place I found the refrain written out when I googled "fire walk with me poem":
https://www.sheepproductions.com/tps/quotes/poems.htm
However, the next several results all say the word is chants and not chance. That's what I get for only checking one source before posting! >:-(
And, here's a discussion about the whole issue:
http://www.twinpeaksgazette.com/community/topic-topicid=730.cfm.html
Having said all that, to my ear it really sounds like "chance." Besides, that fits in more clearly with this season when Cooper finally got his chance to move between two worlds.
Anyway, like much else with Twin Peaks, who the hell knows?
🙂
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Banging on the door: Gordon has a major reaction because his hearing aid is cranked way up to hear Albert whisper.
Hi Karen,
And yet Cole didn't hear anything when Laura (Albert?) rattled the door handle before Albert knocked. =:-O
Hmmm....
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The image flips because we are first seeing it from inside the room, from Gordon's POV, and then we are seeing it from the OTHER SIDE, and seeing Gordon SEEING it from the hallway. It is like the image is a transparency.
yeeeeeeeeeeeees, but... If we were looking at Gordon watching an image of Laura being unhappy, I think it could have been done in a more 'hologram' way. It just seemed deliberately amateur to stick a clip of Laura at an exterior door (complete with trees & stuff) and then for the reverse angle to just flip the image & make it a bit ghostly. Looking at Gordon looking at Laura, we'd see the back of her head. Assuming visions have backs of heads...
It's as if they said 'Oh, we'll just chuck in a quick clip from Youtube' and if Laura Is the One, I'd have expected a bit more effort! 😉
Ric, the rattling I think is just the marker when he makes the circle on the wrist/cuff. Maybe it's a combo sound.
Hi Rob John,
Yes, I just went back and watched again, and I think you're right. The sound is made just when Cole is drawing the cuff link on the cuff. 🙁
Rats! Another good theory ruined by the facts! CURSES, foiled again!
😉
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Thank you for that kind expression of sympathy (-;
BTW, the voice calling "Laura" when Gordon opens the door is Sarah Palmer's voice, slowed down. It is from Dale's dream in S1 ep. 3 (depending on how you count).
Hi MJ,
Thanks for that info, I'm not sure it would ever have crossed my mind that the voice had been slowed. 😉
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I saw the scene as a warning.
What is she warning him about though?
The cynic in me would say that Albert can't be trusted. He appeared in the doorway just after the vision. But I love Albert - so refuse to believe he would do any wrong!
I also immediately saw Laura's appearance as a warning to Gordon that Albert is not to be trusted.
We have some loose ends in the Albert canon to date:
1) He admitted to Gordon that he had given the name of an FBI agent in South America to Mr C, that agent later turning up dead.
2) He called out Gordon on his hearing aid: "You heard me".
I'm fairly sure you got point 1 wrong. Albert has never talked with Mr. C. He says Phillip Jeffries (the character played by Bowie in FWWM) contacted him asking something that Cooper needed urgently and he gave Phillip the authorization to give Coop some information because he feared Cooper was in trouble. The information was who their man in Columbia was. I thought Columbia and subtitles also said Columbia, but I've seen other people claim it was Colombia and it's definitely possible as subtitles have been wrong/different before and they're pronounced the same way. By the way the man was killed a week later. I thought Columbia might make sense because I thought they could be talking about Briggs (although technically the Pentagon is in Virginia), who was working with Gordon and the FBI, according to the Secret History of Twin Peaks, and (apparently) died/disappeared after meeting Coop.
While it seems strange that Albert gave the information without saying anything to Gordon, he stresses how he did so because it was urgent and thought Coop's life was at stake (and by the way he says it's something that happened many years before). A lot of people have doubts on Albert because of this, but I don't understand why would he confess it in the first place if he's working with Mr. C and double crossing Gordon. By the way, the scene is very long and it looks like Gordon is studying Albert, the same way he does with Diane when she's smoking or during their hug but in the end even if he's worried, almost terrifed by the situation he looks more reassured about Albert while he's definitely concerned and sad about Diane. An intriguing detail I noticed as I was rewatching the scene is how Gordon has his hearing device turned up to the max and Albert moving his feet on the concrete generates a sound that it's too loud for Gordon, the same way as when Tammy knocks on the door. I wonder if that means the two scenes are somehow connected or if the problems with Gordon's hearing aids mean something.
Also, just to add to Fishinthepercolator's point about Colombia. If it was the country, that would give us a trail from Argentina, Colombia, Mexico - all Spanish speaking countries (Rebekah Del Rio) and getting closer...
He turns it up to have conversations that can not be overheard. Wyndham Earle and bonsai trees have probably taught him to be quiet in important conversations.
I always thought that the decision to have Lynch written in as The Director who can't hear other people and is always yelling at them was absolutely rich, an exemplary "reference within a reference" or metacommentary. Lynch's oeuvre is filled with such motifs, and the Lynch/Frost project "On the Air" was where a lot of creative frustration found a cathartic outlet in slapstick and '50s iconography. So my interpretation of Cole's vision of Laura has more to do with auteurism and film theory: it was a suture between the fictional world of Twin Peaks and Lynch's own obsessions, how Laura's fate has haunted him for decades, and now he's back on the trail.
(Will we ever meet Lil again?)
I also immediately saw Laura's appearance as a warning to Gordon that Albert is not to be trusted.
We have some loose ends in the Albert canon to date:
1) He admitted to Gordon that he had given the name of an FBI agent in South America to Mr C, that agent later turning up dead.
2) He called out Gordon on his hearing aid: "You heard me".
I'm fairly sure you got point 1 wrong. Albert has never talked with Mr. C. He says Phillip Jeffries (the character played by Bowie in FWWM) contacted him asking something that Cooper needed urgently and he gave Phillip the authorization to give Coop some information because he feared Cooper was in trouble. The information was who their man in Columbia was. I thought Columbia and subtitles also said Columbia, but I've seen other people claim it was Colombia and it's definitely possible as subtitles have been wrong/different before and they're pronounced the same way.
I think you're probably right that Albert okayed the identity second-hand; but either way the agent is dead and Albert's responsible. I agree with you, though, wondering why Albert would reveal this to Gordon if Albert was a bad actor.
I hadn't heard ('til now) that there was a question about whether the agent was in Colombia or "Columbia"... the FBI's headquarters are in DC so I guess there may an argument to be made.
Hmmm.
Fire walk with 
