In my second viewing of part 1 & 2 two little theories arose from my mind:
1) It is in our house now
The giant beckons Cooper to listen to a peculiar sound that eminates from the gramophone. "It is in our house now" the giant explains.
I think I have heard this same sound a second time. When Cooper is talking to the evolution of the arm, the arm explains him the doppelganger must come in, before he can come out. Suddenly the arm warns Cooper to get out, and the one-armed man realises "there is something wrong". At that time the sound from the gramophone returns, and the arm-doppelganger appears...
My theory is that the giant, by making Cooper listen to the gramophone, warns Cooper that something is happening in the red room / black lodge. They have both lived there for "25 years" and now "something is wrong".
I suspect the sudden exit of Laura is also linked to this disturbance in the lodge.
Can anyone confirm it actually is the same sound?
2) Philip ... Jeffries?
When evil Cooper is speaking into the technical communication device he assumes he is talking to Philip Jeffries.
Why is this? They missed each other in New York... Was Jeffries the appearance in the glass box? Evil Coop expects Jeffries to be "still nowhere"... Between two worlds? Non-existent?
But then Cooper seems to doubt who is on the other side of the line.
My theory is this is not Philip Jeffries, but Philip Gerard aka Mike. Mike wants evil Cooper to return to the Black Lodge, so Bob can take its place there next to Mike, so they can yet again become 'a perfect circle of apetite and satisfaction'.
Any ideas on this theory?
No spoilers for part 3 or 4 please.
Thanks,
Sabbe
1. So basically, yes. I totally agree that something has happened. I posted in the 3/4 forum a little about this, but I think that that new box in NYC has created (and is not simply observing) some kind of bad/unnatural connection to the lodges.
2. I'm less sure it's Phillip Jeffries. When you listen to the noise when the demon is clawing up the couple, it sounds a LOT like the noises that the lady with her eyes sewed shut makes when she's about to lead Cooper up the ladder. To me, this suggests that the "mother" and the "demon" are related or one in the same.
1. So basically, yes. I totally agree that something has happened. I posted in the 3/4 forum a little about this, but I think that that new box in NYC has created (and is not simply observing) some kind of bad/unnatural connection to the lodges.
2. I'm less sure it's Phillip Jeffries. When you listen to the noise when the demon is clawing up the couple, it sounds a LOT like the noises that the lady with her eyes sewed shut makes when she's about to lead Cooper up the ladder. To me, this suggests that the "mother" and the "demon" are related or one in the same.
I agree that the Box has something to do with problems in the Lodge. Someone is trying to observe/interact/harness the power of the Lodge.
I also agree with both of Pale Horse's points: the connection between the box and lodge, and the connection between the blind lady and the monster. The sound was incredibly similar, as was the motion of the lady's hands and the motion of the monster's head/tongue.
I thought the skipping music player was a reference to the same thing in the Palmer house, where the skipping record player eerily and prominently introduces the scene where Bob kills Maddy Ferguson.
Yes, the sound coming from the gramophone sounded like a distant, approaching version of the sound of the 'being' that killed the young couple and the sound of the woman with her eyes down shut in 'space tank' in Episode 3.
You know, I just rewatched the scene, and it sounds kind of like a recording of a voice...saying a few words over and over.
Slow down the soundclip from the gramophone by aprox. 60% clear the low noise, and you'll find the sound to match the handle from a slut machine exactly...
Mike is a helper, as the Giant and the Tremonds/Chalfonts are/were. He "saw the face of god and was changed" and he took the arm off ( which said Bob on it ) to end his connection with him, and used the form of Philip Gerard in our world to try to stop Bob. Doppelganger Arm might want to be back with Bob ( the thing that broke out of the box might be Bob in evolved form ).
"It is in our house" - Sarah Palmer was ENJOYING watching the cats attack the beast, perhaps Bob took her over.
^ i want Mike to be a helper, but i can't help but think he has ulterior motives. Mike does give clues to Cooper, and so does the Arm, in the original series but we also see that when Bob comes to the Lodge the night of Laura's death and brings Leland, Mike says "I want all my garmonbozia" meaning, of course, that point he was still feeding on people's pain and sorrow and also that Bob was still working with him. this seems to be in contrast with what he tells Cooper. i would have said "this just happened before Mike repented" but the arm is already cut off, and the MFAP is already in the lodge.
i think that, coupled with a few things from the scene above the convenience store - the "with this ring, i thee wed/ i have the fury of my own momentum" lines which seem to signify both Mike's bonding to Bob, and also Bob's aggressive independence, and the fact that we don't see a version of Philip Gerard with both arms saying this, but rather the MFAP..and we see that the Tremonds/Chalfonts are there, and interact in some way with Bob meaning we may not be able to trust them either (Mike refers to the time before he repented, saying "we lived among the people, i think you say 'convenience store'" and the grandmother and magician are present, so what are they really? why would they have been with Mike and Bob when they were partners, when they killed together?) - i think that all means we really don't know what any of the spirits intentions are, except maybe the Giant/old man.
he seems to be the most trustworthy, and so far i don't think there's any evidence that's he's lied to or kept anything from Cooper. i think the bit about Sarah maybe being possessed by Bob is really intriguing. i actually wonder if he ever tried to take her over before Laura died, and if not, why? i've always wondered what made Bob want Laura specifically. if we see a Bob/Sarah in the third season that would be really wild.
if "it is in our house now"IS a reference to yet another Palmer falling prey to Bob, the gramophone could possibly be a reference to Leland always playing music in the house on a record player.
The Tremonds/Chalfonts have clearly helped ( Donna in the show, & Laura in FWWM ). Mike helps Harry & Coop, and Laura ( FWWM as I mentioned, twice, the first time Leland revs the car so Laura can't hear what he is attempting to tell her).
Don't expect clear-cut answers about the Black Lodge & inhabitants. David doesn't give explanations.
Why Laura over Sarah? Laura is young and beautiful, many want to have sex with her ( and have ). Bob wants to "taste through her mouth."
1. So basically, yes. I totally agree that something has happened. I posted in the 3/4 forum a little about this, but I think that that new box in NYC has created (and is not simply observing) some kind of bad/unnatural connection to the lodges.
2. I'm less sure it's Phillip Jeffries. When you listen to the noise when the demon is clawing up the couple, it sounds a LOT like the noises that the lady with her eyes sewed shut makes when she's about to lead Cooper up the ladder. To me, this suggests that the "mother" and the "demon" are related or one in the same.
I agree that the Box has something to do with problems in the Lodge. Someone is trying to observe/interact/harness the power of the Lodge.
That's an interesting thought, that the Box is actually responsible for disrupting the Lodge. Because it seemed like the Lodge was aware that the "stars had turned" to align for the Cooper swap, but they also seemed surprised / alarmed that the floor was coming apart. And it could also be that Lodge Laura's disappearance is tied into the Box too. Perhaps she was the malevolent spirit which killed the lovers.
"It is in our house now..."certainly echoes, or dopplers with what's happening in the Great Northern, which echoes with Bobby's opening of Brigg's sonic puzzle box
Mike is a helper, as the Giant and the Tremonds/Chalfonts are/were. He "saw the face of god and was changed" and he took the arm off ( which said Bob on it ) to end his connection with him, and used the form of Philip Gerard in our world to try to stop Bob. Doppelganger Arm might want to be back with Bob ( the thing that broke out of the box might be Bob in evolved form ).
"It is in our house" - Sarah Palmer was ENJOYING watching the cats attack the beast, perhaps Bob took her over.
I thought his arm had a tatoo that said "MOM". That's what Gerrard tells the police in the original TP series. He also mentions being "touched by the evil one", which suggests there's a darker evil than even he and Bob, since evidently they were compatriot creatures/beings/entities/whatever.
This has always perplexed me and I suppose it will never be resolved, but the suggestion there is that Bob and Mike existed in some form, were "touched by the evil one", became the demonic presences they are now, and that Mike, in particular, then had some sort of salvation whereby he "saw the face of God" (which, I'm guessing was the angelic being in the railroad car with Laura/Ronnette during Laura's murder, as up to then Mike only seeme interested in thwarting Bob's attempt to "steal the corn" or whatever, and "break the thread", whereas afterwards he seems to be determined to help Cooper solve the case).
"You are going back in tomorrow and I will be with Bob again.''
Who do we know that has previously been with Bob?
Leland.
Cooper.
Laura.
Philip Gerard?
Windom Earle?
Fire walk with