I thought about it being 30 years away. Could be.
Laura never was a force for good though......?
And she showed up when she needed to.
I'm still not convinced of that "good" bit. I tend to side with others who look at the Fireman not as a source of "good" but just as a source, neither good nor bad, maybe self-serving, perhaps neutral, who knows. Laura may have just been a source of Garmonbozia to attract and possibly "trap" BOB. It's so hard to tell.
Maybe things aren't so black and white as good and bad. Maybe they are all red.......
I can't believe I am about to attempt this, but here it goes:
Judy, Bob, the Experiment and mother are seen as bad. Judy and Bob are explained as bad entities. Mother and the Experiment are understood as bad, but not exclaimed directly as such.
Laura, Cooper, Hawk, The Trumans, Lucy and Andy are seen as good. Hawk the Trumans, Andy and Lucy are SHOWN as good, with the white hat of the Sheriffs department...even though Andy never wears a hat (god knows he should have.)
Turns out that Laura and Cooper are not EXACTLY good, shown as good with hidden secrets if one is to believe the points made about Windom and his wife. Laura is shown as good, and then not so good because of her free will.
The Fireman is just like a referee, when there is too much bad he steps in and levels the playing field. I don't remember a time where there was too much good but maybe one of you can remind me.
Our main, and ever engaging and interesting character, Mr. Dale Cooper goes through all 3 of these conditions with Mr. C, Dougie Jones and Dale Cooper. It is all a form of equalization.
At the end we are left with a night of equalization, Judy is extinguished, yet Carrie isn't Laura and no one really knows what is going on. (that applies to 10 million viewers it seems...)
If someone offered to remove the greatest evil in your life, only you wouldn't know it or be aware of it because you were now another person without that evil...would you do it?
Jack
Yeah I agree. I'm an atheist for the same reason. How can a God of good let bad things happen? Children, babies, even unborn get horrendous things happen to them.
Briggs ended up with fireman. Another reason to think he is good.
Great talking to you ☺
I thought about it being 30 years away. Could be.
Laura never was a force for good though......?
And she showed up when she needed to.
I'm still not convinced of that "good" bit. I tend to side with others who look at the Fireman not as a source of "good" but just as a source, neither good nor bad, maybe self-serving, perhaps neutral, who knows. Laura may have just been a source of Garmonbozia to attract and possibly "trap" BOB. It's so hard to tell.
Maybe things aren't so black and white as good and bad. Maybe they are all red.......
I can't believe I am about to attempt this, but here it goes:
Judy, Bob, the Experiment and mother are seen as bad. Judy and Bob are explained as bad entities. Mother and the Experiment are understood as bad, but not exclaimed directly as such.
Laura, Cooper, Hawk, The Trumans, Lucy and Andy are seen as good. Hawk the Trumans, Andy and Lucy are SHOWN as good, with the white hat of the Sheriffs department...even though Andy never wears a hat (god knows he should have.)
Turns out that Laura and Cooper are not EXACTLY good, shown as good with hidden secrets if one is to believe the points made about Windom and his wife. Laura is shown as good, and then not so good because of her free will.
The Fireman is just like a referee, when there is too much bad he steps in and levels the playing field. I don't remember a time where there was too much good but maybe one of you can remind me.
Our main, and ever engaging and interesting character, Mr. Dale Cooper goes through all 3 of these conditions with Mr. C, Dougie Jones and Dale Cooper. It is all a form of equalization.
At the end we are left with a night of equalization, Judy is extinguished, yet Carrie isn't Laura and no one really knows what is going on. (that applies to 10 million viewers it seems...)
If someone offered to remove the greatest evil in your life, only you wouldn't know it or be aware of it because you were now another person without that evil...would you do it?
Jack
And you get so frustrated at the lack of understanding. Looks to me like you understand your hypothesis perfectly! 😀
...would you do it?
Jack
Ummmmm......maybe?
Fireman must be good because what do firemen do?
They put out fires
Save people from fires
"It's not a campfire, it's a fire symbol. It's a type of fire, more like modern day electricity."
"Good?"
"It depends upon the intention behind the fire."
...
"What's this?"
"It's corn. It's fertility, but it's black, it's diseased or unnatural. Death. If you put these two symbols together, you get this..."
"Black fire."
...
"My log is afraid of fire... Hawk, there is fire where you are going."
Of course, a fireman can also be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireman_(steam_engine)
One interesting thing to think about, for me at least, is the extent to which the Fireman does not intervene. When Cooper is bleeding on the floor, he says, "you will require medical attention" - in stark contrast to the Woodsmen who show up to tend to Mr. C when he is shot. He provides Cooper with information/warnings, but that's about it.
I think him as less on the side of the Good, and more on that of Enlightenment, maybe. Or, if we want to use a simple a term as good, at least there is some indication that freedom is important to this side of things in a meaningful way.
So, this bit with the Laura orb strikes me as the *only* time he intervenes. I think it is because Cooper has broken the rules by keeping Laura from her death - placing the scene in Part 8 after the scene in Part 17; with the thought they are then depositing her in Odessa/Carrie Page. And, of course the Lodge isn't in linear time the way ordinary reality is, so let's not get to caught up on that part of it.
My two cents, anyway.
Fireman must be good because what do firemen do?
They put out fires
Save people from fires
Hmmmm, Have you ever seen Backdraft? When you introduce positions of power to Humans you inevitably get some form of corruption.
But I understand your point and yes, USUALLY firemen are seen as good. However, I literally just had a fire on our property. The maintenance guy did something bad in the tool shed (we don't have a full report yet) but the firemen let the structure burn in a controlled manner instead of trying to save the structure. It was clearly a case of equalization, not necessarily good. Video of me hosing down the trees around out house as I was being "preventative" but not necessarily good.
(sorry, had to edit the file as it was too large...)
Yeah I agree. I'm an atheist for the same reason. How can a God of good let bad things happen? Children, babies, even unborn get horrendous things happen to them.
Briggs ended up with fireman. Another reason to think he is good.
Great talking to you ☺
Equalization, Yin and Yang, Good and Evil. God is defined as Omnipotent with the power of Omniscience. This is completely one sided, there would never be evil or bad experiences with the scale weighed all the way over to the side of Good.
So how do you give that theory/theology a chance at equilibrium? You give humans Free Will and voila! Equal is as equal does...
For EVERY rule of Gold that God gave to the universe, Satan come up with his own Rule of Lead...Equalization, balance. For instance:
God said unto Satan in the book of Job, "You can do anything you want to man but you are NEVER allowed to take his life.
Satan replied to God, that is fine, I can always have man take another mans life.
I feel like it all directly applies to Twin Peaks in the same way. Cooper, you want to go back in time and save Laura from her fate?
Ok fine, but the mess you end up with will be so bad that you will be wonder if it is even worth it.
Not sure about my beliefs as they change constantly but the Equalization of the Universe remains a constant.
I thought about it being 30 years away. Could be.
Laura never was a force for good though......?
And she showed up when she needed to.
I'm still not convinced of that "good" bit. I tend to side with others who look at the Fireman not as a source of "good" but just as a source, neither good nor bad, maybe self-serving, perhaps neutral, who knows. Laura may have just been a source of Garmonbozia to attract and possibly "trap" BOB. It's so hard to tell.
Maybe things aren't so black and white as good and bad. Maybe they are all red.......
I can't believe I am about to attempt this, but here it goes:
Judy, Bob, the Experiment and mother are seen as bad. Judy and Bob are explained as bad entities. Mother and the Experiment are understood as bad, but not exclaimed directly as such.
Laura, Cooper, Hawk, The Trumans, Lucy and Andy are seen as good. Hawk the Trumans, Andy and Lucy are SHOWN as good, with the white hat of the Sheriffs department...even though Andy never wears a hat (god knows he should have.)
Turns out that Laura and Cooper are not EXACTLY good, shown as good with hidden secrets if one is to believe the points made about Windom and his wife. Laura is shown as good, and then not so good because of her free will.
The Fireman is just like a referee, when there is too much bad he steps in and levels the playing field. I don't remember a time where there was too much good but maybe one of you can remind me.
Our main, and ever engaging and interesting character, Mr. Dale Cooper goes through all 3 of these conditions with Mr. C, Dougie Jones and Dale Cooper. It is all a form of equalization.
At the end we are left with a night of equalization, Judy is extinguished, yet Carrie isn't Laura and no one really knows what is going on. (that applies to 10 million viewers it seems...)
If someone offered to remove the greatest evil in your life, only you wouldn't know it or be aware of it because you were now another person without that evil...would you do it?
Jack
And you get so frustrated at the lack of understanding. Looks to me like you understand your hypothesis perfectly! 😀
Are you laughing with me or at me?
I thought about it being 30 years away. Could be.
Laura never was a force for good though......?
And she showed up when she needed to.
I'm still not convinced of that "good" bit. I tend to side with others who look at the Fireman not as a source of "good" but just as a source, neither good nor bad, maybe self-serving, perhaps neutral, who knows. Laura may have just been a source of Garmonbozia to attract and possibly "trap" BOB. It's so hard to tell.
Maybe things aren't so black and white as good and bad. Maybe they are all red.......
I can't believe I am about to attempt this, but here it goes:
Judy, Bob, the Experiment and mother are seen as bad. Judy and Bob are explained as bad entities. Mother and the Experiment are understood as bad, but not exclaimed directly as such.
Laura, Cooper, Hawk, The Trumans, Lucy and Andy are seen as good. Hawk the Trumans, Andy and Lucy are SHOWN as good, with the white hat of the Sheriffs department...even though Andy never wears a hat (god knows he should have.)
Turns out that Laura and Cooper are not EXACTLY good, shown as good with hidden secrets if one is to believe the points made about Windom and his wife. Laura is shown as good, and then not so good because of her free will.
The Fireman is just like a referee, when there is too much bad he steps in and levels the playing field. I don't remember a time where there was too much good but maybe one of you can remind me.
Our main, and ever engaging and interesting character, Mr. Dale Cooper goes through all 3 of these conditions with Mr. C, Dougie Jones and Dale Cooper. It is all a form of equalization.
At the end we are left with a night of equalization, Judy is extinguished, yet Carrie isn't Laura and no one really knows what is going on. (that applies to 10 million viewers it seems...)
If someone offered to remove the greatest evil in your life, only you wouldn't know it or be aware of it because you were now another person without that evil...would you do it?
Jack
And you get so frustrated at the lack of understanding. Looks to me like you understand your hypothesis perfectly! 😀
Are you laughing with me or at me?
Always with you.
But wasn't laughing, was just smiling.
Lynch changed his name from Giant to Fireman.
I think as Giant he didn't intervene as much but as Fireman he did.
Remember that scene in first series where Giant appears in Coopers room and says "you forgot something" and sends a golden (small) orb into Coops chest?
Thoughts on that?
Lynch changed his name from Giant to Fireman.
I think as Giant he didn't intervene as much but as Fireman he did.
Remember that scene in first series where Giant appears in Coopers room and says "you forgot something" and sends a golden (small) orb into Coops chest?
Thoughts on that?
I had totally forgotten about that! I have no idea what to think of it.
Lynch changed his name from Giant to Fireman.
I think as Giant he didn't intervene as much but as Fireman he did.
Remember that scene in first series where Giant appears in Coopers room and says "you forgot something" and sends a golden (small) orb into Coops chest?
Thoughts on that?
I had totally forgotten about that! I have no idea what to think of it.
I don't think his name changed, so much as he was never officially named in the original stuff. Cooper just called him "the giant" - I do wonder, though, when Lynch decided on Fireman, and would guess that was a new thing, if that's what you mean. I guess I'm not sure how relevant I think it is, regardless.
Yes, that scene strikes me as all the more significant in light of The Return, and the Laura orb. If this is him giving Cooper a memory, or something like that, perhaps we should think of the Laura orb in terms of memory? John Bernady suggested something like this in a rather long piece he wrote about memory. I'm still not sure what exactly I think about it.
But, OK, so the Fireman perhaps intervenes by getting people to remember, but that still doesn't strike me as much of an intervention.
I like what Jack wrote about his fire. When we think fireman, it's easy to pull up an image of the shiny red helmet and the friendly man who puts out fires; my first thought is just clipart. But the reality of firefighters is really much more intricate, no? They manage the flames, whatever the intent behind them. They portion off sections of forest, they survey hazard, they extract overwhelmed humans, they study the effects and causes of fire, they dismantle and oversee the safe destruction of decrepit and obsolete structures. A Fireman is the vanguard against nature's combustible propensity for burning out of control.
Y'all remember Deep Thoughts with Jack Handy? (non sequitur, btw)
Fire walk with