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(@brian_hardin_ii)
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So something has been bothering me...  (I put hurting me as both a play on waldo's chants over and over and also because this bothering is turning into a hurt - I'll explain)..

After the conclusion of Season 3; Lynch went on to say that anyone was free to interpret whatever they wanted about the show and basically whatever they thought of was fine with him.

However.. the part that bothers me.. isn't that exactly what happened with a good portion of Season 2?  He even states "the second season sucked".  I understand his reasons for what he says about Season 2, however, if we are supposed to be free to do with the show as we want, how can he have such a statement on Season 2?

What this tells me is that he DOES in fact know exactly what is going on in his universe.

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Posted : 11/09/2018 11:29 am
(@julie_loader)
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II

So something has been bothering me...  (I put hurting me as both a play on waldo's chants over and over and also because this bothering is turning into a hurt - I'll explain)..

After the conclusion of Season 3; Lynch went on to say that anyone was free to interpret whatever they wanted about the show and basically whatever they thought of was fine with him.

However.. the part that bothers me.. isn't that exactly what happened with a good portion of Season 2?  He even states "the second season sucked".  I understand his reasons for what he says about Season 2, however, if we are supposed to be free to do with the show as we want, how can he have such a statement on Season 2?

What this tells me is that he DOES in fact know exactly what is going on in his universe.

Oh, I  am 100% sure that he has the full story because he and Frost would have had to go through every possible scenario to make sure there were no stuff ups before putting it out. I am actually really gobsmacked at how we still haven't figured everything out. Amazing stuff. 

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Posted : 11/09/2018 3:26 pm
(@dobbshead)
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The thing that keeps me awake is when did Frost/Lynch have the whole story worked out?  Was the framework for then entire 3 seasons already where they wanted to eventually go with it, or did they turn back to Seasons 1,2 to then dream up a cohesive universe for S3?  It makes a difference - all the clues in S1,2 do we take them as all highly intentional and canonical to set up S3, or did S3 have to contort to make the 1990's stuff jibe?  And for that matter does S4 exist in Lynch's mind already?  Was it already there in 1989?  Does the future impact the past?

I have often wondered all this too.  

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Posted : 13/09/2018 12:44 am
(@brian_hardin_ii)
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I feel that S3 had less to do with elements from S1 and S2 and more to do with elements of FWWM.  Yes, topical themes showed up from S1 and S2, but nothing really concrete.

And really.. when I think even deeper about it, I almost wonder if S3 was made to have a total disconnect from anything that came before it.  There are too many things that just don't jive with S1, S2, or FWWM.  Agent Desmond?  Judy being set up as an evil entity just doesn't make sense within the context of FWWM, especially when you view the "lost footage" of Phillip Jeffries in The Palm Deluxe hotel.  The entire Cooper is in love with Diane and has totally forgotten about Annie.  I mean then list of elements that don't jive with anything could go on and on and on.

Almost as if the entirety of S3 took place in the alternate time-line...

And pondering THAT makes my brain go to strange places..  "Stop hurting me!  Hurting me!  Leo, no!"  BLAH.

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Posted : 13/09/2018 9:27 am
(@myn0k)
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II
 The entire Cooper is in love with Diane and has totally forgotten about Annie.  I mean then list of elements that don't jive with anything could go on and on and on..

One could argue that having spent 25 years in limbo, he had plenty of time to ponder who his one true love was. 

I'm not sure I believe that theory, but his romance with Annie was certainly a whirlwind one. 

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Posted : 13/09/2018 12:39 pm
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II
 The entire Cooper is in love with Diane and has totally forgotten about Annie.  I mean then list of elements that don't jive with anything could go on and on and on..

One could argue that having spent 25 years in limbo, he had plenty of time to ponder who his one true love was. 

I'm not sure I believe that theory, but his romance with Annie was certainly a whirlwind one. 

well, his love for Annie was the entire reason he entered the lodge at all.  I think that's the element that has bothered me.  S2 ends with Cooper going into the lodge trying to help annie and literally ends with mr.c and 'how's annie?  how's annie? how's annie?'  and s3 totally fails to address that cliffhanger. 

I dunno, it just bothers me because it, more or less, indicates that anything of any importance in s3 can be totally dismissed and ignored.

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Posted : 13/09/2018 2:01 pm
(@myn0k)
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II
Posted by: Myn0k
Posted by: Brian Hardin II
 The entire Cooper is in love with Diane and has totally forgotten about Annie.  I mean then list of elements that don't jive with anything could go on and on and on..

One could argue that having spent 25 years in limbo, he had plenty of time to ponder who his one true love was. 

I'm not sure I believe that theory, but his romance with Annie was certainly a whirlwind one. 

well, his love for Annie was the entire reason he entered the lodge at all.  I think that's the element that has bothered me.  S2 ends with Cooper going into the lodge trying to help annie and literally ends with mr.c and 'how's annie?  how's annie? how's annie?'  and s3 totally fails to address that cliffhanger. 

I dunno, it just bothers me because it, more or less, indicates that anything of any importance in s3 can be totally dismissed and ignored.

The whole thing is very odd. To me, it suggests something more than just retcon. I say this because Hawk does mention Annie in season 3. So she is at least acknowledged. However it would have been easy for LynchFrost to include a single line from Coop once he wakes up, to also acknowledge her - even if to notr to Cole his grief for her. But they chose not to, for whatever reason. Which is very odd indeed. 

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Posted : 13/09/2018 2:54 pm
(@damianbomm)
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Honestly my idea for why Cooper seems to just not care about many of the things from S1 and S2 including Annie is that Cooper spent 25 years in another dimension, now 25 years in the black lodge could be like a hundred in our world. We have no idea what Cooper went through for that quarter of a century and I think he has set his priorities on the larger things like stopping Judy.

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