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Carrie Page is "the missing page"  

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(@andres_cruzalegui)
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Haven't been here in a while so forgive me if this has already been discussed:

I saw a post on another site linking Carrie Page with the missing page of her diary. That was my initial thought as well. Hawk does confirm in The Return that there is still one page missing. We all know Laura Palmer would regularly write about her dreams in her diary. Could she have writtent an entry about a dream she had where her name was Carrie and she lives in Odessa, a weird nightmarish dream, where a corpse is just rotting in her home. This just might fit my interpreatation of TP so I understand why some might not be on board with this. I have always thought of the lodges as metaphysical access points that link with the dreamworld. Cooper is physically trapped in this dream world (not the same as saying he's just some dude having an elaborate dream that we all know as Twin Peaks) and is playing out various scenarios as a test but seems to be trapped in a perpetual loop, either because he doesn't understand what needs to be done or because hes just doomed to be doing this eternally. I do not think he ever left the lodge.

 

I would love to hear what you all have to say 

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Posted : 13/09/2018 8:58 pm Ben Uhl and Myn0k liked
(@brian_hardin_ii)
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I would almost take this idea as being possible except for one thing:

Cooper asks "What year is this?"

This indicates he is somewhere in time or in an alternate time-line.

Had he instead asked, 'where are we?' then that would indicate they were out of place (or in a dream).

I think Lynch is too careful with his dialogue and what he depicts on screen, so I just can't buy this Carrie Page being a missing page theory.  There is no other evidence.

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Posted : 14/09/2018 9:30 am
(@myn0k)
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Posted by: Brian Hardin II

I would almost take this idea as being possible except for one thing:

Cooper asks "What year is this?"

This indicates he is somewhere in time or in an alternate time-line.

Had he instead asked, 'where are we?' then that would indicate they were out of place (or in a dream).

I think Lynch is too careful with his dialogue and what he depicts on screen, so I just can't buy this Carrie Page being a missing page theory.  There is no other evidence.

Just to play devil's advocate, he may have asked what year it is because he's confused and things don't add up. In reality (hah!), the year may not be relevant. 

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Posted : 14/09/2018 10:52 am
(@frogmoth)
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i always assumed the "missing page" that hawk doesn't have is the page that Donna has. The page that mrs. tremond leaves for donna was handed to her AFTER leland would have put the diary in the bathroom stall. Cooper lets donna keep that page after she reads it. Therefore it wouldn't be in the diary when hawk finds it

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Posted : 29/10/2018 10:17 pm
(@carnifex)
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If I remember correctly, the page that Donna has came from the non-secret diary. The page Hawk is looking for, the one he knows to be missing, is from the second diary, the secret one. At least I think so.

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Posted : 30/10/2018 8:19 am
(@julie_loader)
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Carrie Paige

Carry Page

I think it is that simple. Laura went missing in the other version.

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Posted : 30/10/2018 2:35 pm Murat Erol Özkan liked
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What if Carrie Paige is something like the 'American Girl'/Janey-E version of Laura, the duality of Laura as the raped Diane/Naido cut by the Laura who survived and tried to live a normal life and repress what her father did to her?  Carrie pretended that Twin Peaks was great, that the world is alright, never stood up for herself and went on with life, ended up with the obscenity of Odessa where the corrupted world ruled over her unopposed, as shown by the 'truck drivers' in Judy's cafe.  Carrie killing her 'truck driver' companion and talking about how much Odessa was a waste during her dark night ride with Cooper shows how to return to Twin Peaks it is necessary to end the sleepwalking and confront the dark excess of the town negatively, the power of Judy is necessary if the truth and genuine Twin Peaks can be alive today.

In the purple room, American Girl says 'you'd better hurry, my mother is coming' to Cooper, and at the ending we hear Sarah Palmer crying out 'Laura!!!', then the world is disrupted, the happy ending of Dougie/Janey-E and Laura saved from death; and thus the 'good'/light version fails and falls apart, Cooper and Laura are forced to return to the central 'atomic explosion' that is Twin Peaks, the mother Sarah Palmer finds that Laura is not coming down for breakfast, Laura is dead, and a town's dreams destroyed.  This also indicated that Cooper was trying to hide from the fact that Laura was dead, that Twin Peaks was as corrupted as Philadelphia, which sent him mad; and American Girl was telling him to hurry up and live as Dougie/Janey-E before the mother Sarah Palmer gets there and uncovers that Laura is dead. Then we see Laura and Cooper together in the red room, and the return from madness is completed, the return to twin peaks is completed in it full disruptive/atomic explosive truth, there is no hiding from that any longer, the sleepwalking of the town disrupted and over, the false idols have crashed to the ground.

So what page was Carrie carrying, then?  Well, we already got the happy/Dougie/light ending, and 'the return' culminated in its failure; and so the page Carrie was carrying must have something to do with the sad-horror/Mr. C/dark and tragi-comic ending bearing down on reality. something like an 'institutionalized Judy' would be necessary to survive in such a world(also the central task of Cole and the Blue Rose Task Force), a negative force within Laura and Cooper that does not culminate in self destructive madness and suicide in protest of the thoroughgoing and overlooked evil in the world, but institutionalizes itself as the rightful 'police'/normal state of things in Twin Peaks and the world.  This is why I am glad that Chad is re-emerging as interesting, its a good sign that Twin Peaks the return got its message through.  I think all the 'evil' characters, including Laura(remember crying Laura completely disrupting Cole as he opens the door) need to be rethought in a different light, same with the 'good' characters.  Everyone is guilty, but the evil of the 'good' characters passes unnoticed and is fully accepted corruption, the sleepwalking must end, the sleeper must awaken.

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Posted : 30/10/2018 6:19 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Extra thing about Janey-E:
What if Carrie Paige is something like the 'American Girl'/Janey-E version of Laura who is failing, spiting into a tulpa, etc?  This requires the duality of Laura to mirror the duality that Cooper confronts in the purple room, and we also see Cooper and Laura together in the red room at the very end of 'the return' after the horror returns and Laura is telling Cooper the remaining secret which horrifies him, presumably what was on the page that Carrie Paige was carrying.  Carrie Paige then is the raped Diane/Naido cut by the Laura who survived and tried to live a normal life and repress what her father did to her, the Janey-E who ignores Dougie's infidelity and pretends that the corrupted world of Las Vegas is perfect as long as the money is coming in.? Janey and Dougie, both have the 'E' added to the name and replacing the proper formal names(Jane and Douglas), and excess in the idea the familiar American Girl/Couple that are 'in', etc., but Janey has a double 'E', and extra 'E' on top of the initial 'E-ing', making Janey-E, indicating an excessive 'E-ness' or excessively sticking to familiarity, resisting change or negative that would disrupt the idyllic home life.  The extra 'E' means that Janey-E needs the excess/money in the world to keep going without splitting into tulpa when the mother arrives, pretending everything is alright, shutting out anything else that would contradict that(but even here Janey-E is not just 'bad', her negativity was rightly placed against the loan sharks, the world is corrupt and she is confronting it, her blind spot is placed on the home life, etc, also, her failure and wanting to believe the world, then what she gets back, is an indictment of the world at the same time, simultaneously compromising the 'cherry pie loving', twin peaks is perfect Cooper, the Dougie).

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Posted : 30/10/2018 7:27 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Also,  it does not work out for everyone in a 'happy ending' as it did for Janey-E:  we also see the 'regular people' that are not mafia or rich elites(Mitchums, Dougie, Mullins), this is where Dougie was headed on the way down...and the equivalent of Janey-E there was the '119 girl' waiting permanently for Dougie to return, with the fatherless kid near danger and obscenity, and tragedy strikes when Dougie's car is destroyed, dream of 'E-ing', dream of Twin Peaks disrupted for good, happy ending suspended and problem explodes, no hiding from 'Judy', like end of the last episode.

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Posted : 30/10/2018 8:32 pm
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