Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
I just wanted to ask everybodies thoughts on the whole Briggs/Mr C co-ordinates shenanigans. I've been thinking about this for a while, and something still doesn't add up for me.
Mr C wants the co-ordinates so he can find Judy. Now, allowing for the fact that Judy still happens to be where the co-ordinates say she is (how would they know Judy hasn't moved away from the area? Just saying), this makes relative sense.
My problem's with the Major here. Why did he need the co-ordinates. Surely if he was just trying to trick or trap Mr C he wouldn't do it in a way in which a woman gets killed and he is decapitated for his troubles? Another idea would be that the Major wanted the co-ordinates to find Judy with himself, or possibly to pass onto Coop or Cole. But assuming the Major already knows where Judy is, why does he need the co-ordinates? How many times does the military say that the Major's fingerprints have been found in the last 25 years? It seems very likely he's got out of the zone several times before, so I can't see how he couldn't get out again and make his way to Twin Peaks in disguise if it were neccessary.
What if the co-ordinates then aren't just for a place but also a time? Maybe both Mr C and the Major need to get to the right place, in the right time. It makes sense when you consider Jeffries not only sent Cooper back to a specific date but also back to the Palmer's house. But then, what time did they want? And why?
What do you all think? Please somebody make sense of my confused ramblings ?
Good thoughts here.
It could be that Briggs wanted the coordinates, not for himself, but to eventually pass on to the Blue Rose Task Force.
I'll have to ponder a bit more though.
What if the co-ordinates then aren't just for a place but also a time? Maybe both Mr C and the Major need to get to the right place, in the right time. It makes sense when you consider Jeffries not only sent Cooper back to a specific date but also back to the Palmer's house.
Hi Chris,
I like this idea, especially since Jeffries can somehow manipulate time.
However, the format of the coordinates seem to indicate that they are only for a location:
Someone even went to all the trouble of traipsing out to the exact spot:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/locations/bill-hastings-coordinates-south-dakota/
You simply have to admire the dedication of some Twin Peaks fans! :-O
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Hi Chris,
I like this idea, especially since Jeffries can somehow manipulate time.
However, the format of the coordinates seem to indicate that they are only for a location:
Someone even went to all the trouble of traipsing out to the exact spot:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/locations/bill-hastings-coordinates-south-dakota/
You simply have to admire the dedication of some Twin Peaks fans! :-O
😉
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Damn. That discounts that theory then! Which is a shame, because I quite liked it, if I do say so myself ?
I just can't seem to grasp what use the co-ordinates would be to Briggs, and it feels like I'm missing something that's so obvious but it's just out of reach.
I believe the coordinates that people went to were the ones on the Hastings site, which point to SD, whereas the ones on Ruth's arm were what they were bringing to Briggs, and that those are for the spot near Twin Peaks.
It then doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Briggs would need those, since he left the note for Bobby et al pointing them to that location.
So, I see two possibilities: 1) there is some kind of lodge-computer type thing going on, where Briggs needed the coordinates to be able to type them in and transport from the portal in SD to the lodge-space near Jack Rabbit's Palace (we do see his head there, ultimately, after all); or 2) asking Hastings and Ruth to bring him the coordinates was part of an elaborate trap for Mr. C - Briggs knew he wanted those coordinates, used Ruth and Bill as bait, then when Mr. C arrived floated his head away like a Woodsman, but took Ruth's body instead of his own in order to keep Mr. C from getting the coordinates at that point. Mr. C then staged the scene in Ruth's apartment, knowing Briggs' body would get the FBI involved, and kept Bill alive so that he could take them back to the site, at which point Ruth's body came back from the portal when Cole opened it, and Mr. C was ultimately able to get the coordinates because of tulpa-Diane. Whether or not Briggs knew that he would be able to do all of that, he seems to have engaged in further planning with the Fireman in the event that Mr. C arrived to that spot by Jack Rabbit's, culminating in sending him to the Sheriff's station to meet his demise, instead of to the Palmer house, which is where he wanted to go.
So, I said there were two possibilities, but I guess as I typed all of that it became pretty clear that I am landing on the second one.
I believe the coordinates that people went to were the ones on the Hastings site, which point to SD, whereas the ones on Ruth's arm were what they were bringing to Briggs, and that those are for the spot near Twin Peaks.
It then doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Briggs would need those, since he left the note for Bobby et al pointing them to that location.
So, I see two possibilities: 1) there is some kind of lodge-computer type thing going on, where Briggs needed the coordinates to be able to type them in and transport from the portal in SD to the lodge-space near Jack Rabbit's Palace (we do see his head there, ultimately, after all); or 2) asking Hastings and Ruth to bring him the coordinates was part of an elaborate trap for Mr. C - Briggs knew he wanted those coordinates, used Ruth and Bill as bait, then when Mr. C arrived floated his head away like a Woodsman, but took Ruth's body instead of his own in order to keep Mr. C from getting the coordinates at that point. Mr. C then staged the scene in Ruth's apartment, knowing Briggs' body would get the FBI involved, and kept Bill alive so that he could take them back to the site, at which point Ruth's body came back from the portal when Cole opened it, and Mr. C was ultimately able to get the coordinates because of tulpa-Diane. Whether or not Briggs knew that he would be able to do all of that, he seems to have engaged in further planning with the Fireman in the event that Mr. C arrived to that spot by Jack Rabbit's, culminating in sending him to the Sheriff's station to meet his demise, instead of to the Palmer house, which is where he wanted to go.
So, I said there were two possibilities, but I guess as I typed all of that it became pretty clear that I am landing on the second one.
That actually makes complete sense! The Final Dossier actually backs up scenario one to a point:
"Was this “portal” the only one of its kind? Or was it just one of many entrances, like a subway stop into some sort of mysterious network or web that could be accessed from many different places? That seems likely. My thought is this: What if the Double was looking for the most important location in this alleged system, a Grand Central Station, if you will, on the other side?"
On the other hand, the trapping scenario makes much more sense to me, especially when you consider how the Fireman and Briggs (or head of) tricked Mr C into apparating next to the sherriff's station.
What holds me back on this is that the Major Briggs of the original series doesn't strike me as the type that would endanger others for his end game (and on this subject - who the hell was the corpse he used for the staged car crash, and where did he get it?) Then again, if he considered it a justifiable expediancy based on the nature of what Mr C is...?
Agreed about it seeming out of character... How about maybe the plan was to trap Mr. C after luring him with the coordinates through Bill and Ruth, in a way where they would remain safe, but that went wrong, and so what happened was Plan B?
That leaves the question about the staged car crash... I have nothing on that one at present.
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