You people act like you've never seen anything outside of Lynch's work on Twin Peaks. This is complete, unrestricted Lynch and I love it. Yes, I would be thrilled if the remaining 10 episodes were like episode 8.
What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled?
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Episode 8 actually made me angry. I don't know where Lynch is going with this. And where is Mark Frost? What was his contribution to todays episode? Did David Lynch ask for an episode all for himself? Looks like it.
This is probably most Mark Frost episode of this season. It's Lynch-style visual to the extreme, that's right, but it's not usual Lynch style non-linear story telling. This episode was completely in line with Frost's book.
It would be great if remaining episodes are in this style. We don't need anymore soap opera Twin Peaks, that was hopefully put to rest after S2. We need this FWWM style Twin Peaks, and so far both Lynch and Frost are doing great.
@Eric from Sweden: if I were to take a guess, I'd say tha, considering we aren't even halfway through, there will be at least two or three other episodes packing this level of surrealism but each one with its own unique and peculiar style of "weirdness" -- and, yeah, most likely a consistent chunk of the last episode will also be on this lines (I'm thinking something along the lines of what was - for the time - the last episode of season 2).
Also, as I frequently said, I wouldn't expect too much in the way of answers and, honestly, I'm perfectly fine either way: I'm curious of whatever answer (or observation, or point) Lynch & Frost have to offer through the show and I'm content to just follow the narrative line, no matter how delirious or apparentely incomprehensible the surroundings are.
As for "entertainment"... heh : -) this episode (and the implications, question and connections it raises) stayed with my thoughts all day. I'd say I'm pretty much entertained 😛
What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled?
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Episode 8 actually made me angry. I don't know where Lynch is going with this. And where is Mark Frost? What was his contribution to todays episode? Did David Lynch ask for an episode all for himself? Looks like it.This is probably most Mark Frost episode of this season. It's Lynch-style visual to the extreme, that's right, but it's not usual Lynch style non-linear story telling. This episode was completely in line with Frost's book.
It would be great if remaining episodes are in this style. We don't need anymore soap opera Twin Peaks, that was hopefully put to rest after S2. We need this FWWM style Twin Peaks, and so far both Lynch and Frost are doing great.
Hell yes, I thought this episode was a perfect 50/50 collab. Mark Frost's TP lore meets David Lynch's audiovisual. And it is mindblowing and beautiful.
And yes, Eric from Sweden, there is A LOT in this episode. I get it that many people are frustrated because they were expecting some linearity, b/c so far the series has been pretty linear. But, mind you, the original series has a great deal of non-linear moments, too. Less than this one, but back then we all know they were restrained by network demands.
As it so happens, in 2017 the way TV works is changing - and thank God for that! We get marvellous pieces like last night's. I, personally, would be down for more episodes like this one if they were as embued with meaning and lore as they were, aside from amazing sound design. which compliments everything.
Also, I think having too much expectations with any of Lynch's work is setting yourself up for disappointment. We should all follow his teachings a little more and just let the journey unfold in front of our eyes, there's really no need to be angry if it doesn't go the way you planned: we will get somewhere when it ends.
What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled? Would you still call it "art in it's purest form"? We wouldn't get any answers to anything we've seen so far. We would leave everything behind. We would just watch explosions, clouds, water, and crazy shit that no one but David Lynch gets. Would you still call it a masterpiece? Would you still praise it? I wonder. How much of this can we take?
Considering no two episodes of Season 3 have been anything like any other episodes of Season 3, I don't think there is much danger of this happening.
Personally, I have greatly enjoyed all of the episodes so far this season, and they have all rewarded me with giving me a lot to think about until the next one. I trust Lynch and Frost enough as artists to think that the entire journey will be worth it to me. To observe that Lynch's narrative and pacing choices are different than literally anyone else in the world would have made is part of what makes it great. I've never seen another TV show that so strongly reflected the sensibilities of an individual artist. I'm completely delighted to see Lynch get the opportunity to do this exactly the way he wants, and eager to see more of what he does with it.
I am not quite rolling on the floor laughing at the OP's rant... but only just not quite.
Had a little bet with myself earlier about reaction to this episode and it seems that I won.
Seriously, I'm not belittling your reaction; on some level I can even understand it. For me, though, I enjoyed every minute. I don't even care if it made sense in any traditional narrative way, as something extremely interesting and absorbing to watch, it was a superb episode.
Just forget about the "story" aspect for a bit and think about some of the things that happened. There was excitement, wonder, fear, jeopardy, tension, in fact, just about all the range of emotions and shades you'd expect from a "traditional" style episode. In between all that, the team threw us enough bits and pieces to get at least a glimpse of the background to everything that's happened so far. Maybe not in a particularly helpful way but don't ever expect to be spoonfed by Frost and Lynch.
It's also possible there is a direct narrative in this episode but nobody's yet managed to pick it out.
If the rest of the series was like this, I'd enjoy it tremendously. I'd also devote time to unravelling what the bright blue bloody hell was happening.
What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled?
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Episode 8 actually made me angry. I don't know where Lynch is going with this. And where is Mark Frost? What was his contribution to todays episode? Did David Lynch ask for an episode all for himself? Looks like it.This is probably most Mark Frost episode of this season. It's Lynch-style visual to the extreme, that's right, but it's not usual Lynch style non-linear story telling. This episode was completely in line with Frost's book.
It would be great if remaining episodes are in this style. We don't need anymore soap opera Twin Peaks, that was hopefully put to rest after S2. We need this FWWM style Twin Peaks, and so far both Lynch and Frost are doing great.
THANK YOU. Frost was all over this episode.
I doubt there will be another episode like this...if there is it would be toward the end.
The episode didn't make us anymore wiser about anything?
Did you not see BOB being removed from bad Coop, the creation of BOB and the black lodge, the fabrication of Laura to fight BOB and Sarah Palmer as a child?
We honestly learned EVERYTHING this episode.
seriously. sure it was told in an arty, surrealistic way but this episode is seemingly the origin story for the entire series! so much happened, the more I think about it, the more my mind is blown
This episode does give answers.
Before, you wouldn't dream getting Lynch actually showing the origin of Bob.
It's just that we have new questions after seeing this. Now if they give us more episodes like this, we might have the new questions answered too.
? Yeah I know, all the explosion shots could be shortened to one 30-second scene.
I saw it as we were all getting a bit too comfy & trying to join the dots - so it all got weird again! 🙂
I liked it. Not 'cos I understood it - or have any great appreciation for the 'art', but because when I watched the first episode this series I was a bit disappointed, 'cos I didn't understand what was going on. I'd watched the original 2 series several times when they first came out - and again over the years - and read the books & watched FWWM, so I thought I'd be able to follow it.
But I wondered if I was going to like this series - and slowly stuff has started to make a kind of sense, and I can see where bits of the first episode might fit in. I think this episode is quite similar & we have to start connecting things like a spider's web...
It seems some of you felt seriously challegend by this episode, but all of you still watched it til the end and are here still interested somehow and willing to watch the next ones. I wonder if there were many people who actually gave up in the middle and swore never to give the show another chance... my bets are, if there were any such cases, they were actually yrev few. I myself think being challenged is usually good, personally, and I already see rewards to this one, as I felt so many strong emotions and amusement watching it and now have so much new stuff (even if really strange stuff) to think about and add to the previous storylines. I doubt there will be several other episodes quite like this one, but I'd gladly welcome one or two or some scattered pieces. I also love it that we were given this just after the most old-school Twin Peaks of all episodes in The Return so far (which I also loved). Sounds fair to me. I hope it makes (most) everyone keep interested enough to go on to the end. I's certainly working for me, and so far, it seems for all of you too.
? Yeah I know, all the explosion shots could be shortened to one 30-second scene.
Yeah, but what would be the fun in that? 😀
? Yeah I know, all the explosion shots could be shortened to one 30-second scene.
Yeah, but what would be the fun in that? 😀
I was not emotionally prepared for what happened with the atomic bomb sequence. At first I though, "Yup. That's a bomb," and then the camera kept moving closer. Then came the realization that, "Oh my God we're going into the explosion!? I don't want to go in there!" This is a return to the kind of fear people felt with the old monster movies where slow and creeping was more terrifying.
Remember your Lynch training. Whenever you don't understand, just rely on your feelings. How does a scene set your emotions; that's usually the answer. The bomb test made me feel terrified, and it was a slow progression from awe and wonder to visceral panic.
It was quite like watching eraser head, a film that I found to be revolutionary and transforming, and that I own a DVD copy of. I have watched that DVD exactly one time. It's not a film that I want to revisit again and again, like, say mulholland drive. Perhaps it's too similar to my own real dreams and or nightmares, but it's also a piece of art that I felt I must own a printing of for my own personal collection. I too felt some dissatisfaction for not having the storyline advance, and some real annoyance for how long and drawn out the various sequences of episode eight were, however after 24 hours of reflection, I now appreciate the development of the backstory and feel that I have a new understanding of where the story will eventually lead. I am as excited as ever to discover what lies ahead knowing that it will culminate in lots of screaming emanating from the palmer household!
The explosion scene was mesmerizing. And I loved the scene after Bad Coop is shot and the Woodsmen scurry out of the darkness and descend on his corpse. To me that kind of old school editing is so much more powerful than the digital CGI used throughout the new series.
A couple of thoughts: Call me old fashioned but I miss the people of Twin Peaks. I don't feel anything for any of the characters introduced so far. The human elements of empathy, compassion, shared experience, etc. are given no room to bloom; it's the most loveless television show I've ever seen. Yes, this new angle is arty and weird, classic Lynchian phantasmagoria. But part of what made the original series so magnetic was the people who inhabited the story. The decency of characters like Sherriff Truman, Agent Cooper, Pete Martell, Doc Hayward, Major Briggs, etc. made the perversions of Leland Palmer, BOB, etc. that much more terrifying. The relationships - and I'm not talking the soap opera drivel that people love to malign around here - were substantial and often touching (I'm thinking of the bond between Coop and Truman).
There was a simplicity, a kind of basic provincial tenderness to the old show that is nowhere to be found in the new season. It's violent, profane, directionless, cold and indulgent, which, come to think of it, is actually quite representative of American culture in 2017. And the mystery of it all feels cheapened because of it.
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