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(@eric-from-sweden)
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What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled? Would you still call it "art in it's purest form"? We wouldn't get any answers to anything we've seen so far. We would leave everything behind. We would just watch explosions, clouds, water, and crazy shit that no one but David Lynch gets. Would you still call it a masterpiece? Would you still praise it? I wonder. How much of this can we take?

 I can overlook all that crazy shit I witnessed today in ep. 8, if I knew there wouldn't be any more episodes like it. But I don't. And that's what I fear the most. I wouldn't be at all surprised if for example the last two episodes are just filled with new weird and crazy scenes all over again.

Episode 8 actually made me angry. I don't know where Lynch is going with this. And where is Mark Frost? What was his contribution to todays episode? Did David Lynch ask for an episode all for himself? Looks like it.

What we witnessed today had no cinematic storytelling to it at all. It was just too weird. Yes, some of you say it's art, and I get that, but I'm not in an art gallery. I'm watching a TV show. I'm watching it to get entertained. Not to get confused or to start making my own interpretations. But maybe I'm one of a kind these days.

I just hope this was an one time thing. No more of this, please. I would gladly watch Dougie's drawn out struggles anytime over this.

Episode 8 didn't make us anymore wiser about anything. It was just plain weird, and again, stole valuable screen time. Yes, I know David Lynch is trying to tell us the story in "his way", but surely he must have known that this episode was way out there.

Episode 8 could just as well been episode 1, but it wasn't. Because if they had shown this episode during the Film Festival in Cannes, as the first episode, I don't think the audiance would have praised it, and I think David Lynch knew that. He knows this episode was too weird for the masses. But how could Showtime let this pass? Probably because the executive at Showtime had already fallen asleep watching episode 1-7.

So, there was my rant. Having said this, I really, really hope we are getting back to the main plotlines in episode 9.

https://youtu.be/NpYEJx7PkWE

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Posted : 26/06/2017 1:58 pm
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(@jessica_paige_niedbalski)
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I loved it!  That being said, I hope as well not all the remaining episodes are in that vein.  It is Lynch at his Lynchiest.  Showtime basically gave him free reign.  An executive at Showtime even said it was Lynch on heroin, and meant it as a compliment.  I love how everything is not spelled out for you.  After some thinking and reading online forums, a good deal of it actually makes sense.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:05 pm
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(@b-randy)
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I agree with some and disagree with others.  There was actually a very valuable story in there, the creation of the TP storyline. And it was artistic and symphonic. (is that a word?)

On the other hand, I felt it was WAY to drawn out and yes, I think DL was left to just make his own episode.  And like so many other artists, when left unchecked, the can go in some very strange directions. Perhaps Frost is Lynch's grounding.

I could deal with some of what was happening, but honestly, (and forgive my vulgarity), I felt that because so much of this was SO extensive and long, that this was Lynch's masturbatory cinematic chance.

When the "lumberjack" started walking through the desert towards the radio station, my watching partner said "If I have to watch this guy walk all the way to that station, I'm going to smash the T.V."  I felt the same. Luckily we did not have to watch all of that. But it just seems like everything was ridiculously drawn out.  When said lumberjack was reciting the "this is water, this is the well" bit over and over, I was about to just turn it off and go to bed.  I'm glad I didn't since something important DID happen. But yeah, it was a difficult 40 minutes.....

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:07 pm
(@zodas)
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I doubt there will be another episode like this...if there is it would be toward the end.

The episode didn't make us anymore wiser about anything?

Did you not see BOB being removed from bad Coop, the creation of BOB and the black lodge, the fabrication of Laura to fight BOB and Sarah Palmer as a child?

We honestly learned EVERYTHING this episode.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:07 pm
(@mark_chamberlain_stevens)
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While it could well turn out to be the "creation myth" that TP is built on, It seems like the biggest take away ,for me, is that we just witnessed a landmark in television history. Whether we liked it or not, it's creative impact could be felt for years in film schools, high school art classes, and maybe even American cultural identity overall (which we really need right now). It's too early to tell, but an entire generation of young people may have just had their "Sergeant Pepper" moment.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:23 pm
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(@spyros)
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I guess it wont be another episode like this, or perhaps one more during the second half?? maybe some moments like it in future episodes, most probably yes.  I personally liked it a lot! it felt like a mini movie, like a prequel of the events. 

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:30 pm
(@groofay)
Dweller

Luckily, there have already been seven parts that are completely different from this one, so we already know that not all remaining ten will be like this. Your reasoning doesn't work out.

And this show, this episode in particular, was by-and-large a Lynch project. He's been making drawn-out, mind-bending films for decades. That's what you sign up for by watching. David Lynch is showing us what he wants us to see, "entertaining" or not. ("Entertaining," that's one hell of a dead word, isn't it?)

As for the idea that it doesn't add to any better understanding of anything, or that it doesn't have any cinematic storytelling...yes, it does, and yes, it has. It uses semiotics extremely heavily and intelligently, more so than many other films and shows; and if that throws you off or offends you, that's not David Lynch's problem. It's already been made, and you've already watched it.

I'm not going to use the "artistic" word, because I really hate how people throw it around, but the idea that television categorically has to be conventionally "entertaining" is frankly ridiculous, and I'm glad that Lynch is playing with the medium as heavily as he did last night. Goodness knows it was well-deserved.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:46 pm
(@garymc)
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled? Would you still call it "art in it's purest form"? We wouldn't get any answers to anything we've seen so far. We would leave everything behind. We would just watch explosions, clouds, water, and crazy shit that no one but David Lynch gets. Would you still call it a masterpiece? Would you still praise it? I wonder. How much of this can we take?

 I can overlook all that crazy shit I witnessed today in ep. 8, if I knew there wouldn't be any more episodes like it. But I don't. And that's what I fear the most. I wouldn't be at all surprised if for example the last two episodes are just filled with new weird and crazy scenes all over again.

Episode 8 actually made me angry. I don't know where Lynch is going with this. And where is Mark Frost? What was his contribution to todays episode? Did David Lynch ask for an episode all for himself? Looks like it.

What we witnessed today had no cinematic storytelling to it at all. It was just too weird. Yes, some of you say it's art, and I get that, but I'm not in an art gallery. I'm watching a TV show. I'm watching it to get entertained. Not to get confused or to start making my own interpretations. But maybe I'm one of a kind these days.

I just hope this was an one time thing. No more of this, please. I would gladly watch Dougie's drawn out struggles anytime over this.

Episode 8 didn't make us anymore wiser about anything. It was just plain weird, and again, stole valuable screen time. Yes, I know David Lynch is trying to tell us the story in "his way", but surely he must have known that this episode was way out there.

Episode 8 could just as well been episode 1, but it wasn't. Because if they had shown this episode during the Film Festival in Cannes, as the first episode, I don't think the audiance would have praised it, and I think David Lynch knew that. He knows this episode was too weird for the masses. But how could Showtime let this pass? Probably because the executive at Showtime had already fallen asleep watching episode 1-7.

So, there was my rant. Having said this, I really, really hope we are getting back to the main plotlines in episode 9.

I can see why you feel this way after Part 7.

During Part 7 I wished that I keep watching for hours.  This showed supremely skillful writing and directing.

This episode was in stark contrast to that.  It was challenging but I found enough of interest to keep me going.
I'm not sure why Lynch felt it necessary to juxtapose the episodes like that but that is what happened.

There are some take-away things from this episode though.  Have a beer, then have a re-read of the forum for some discussions about it and then have a re-watch (with your finger on the fastforward button if that helps!)

BTW I'm in complete agreement about the amount of screen time devoted to discordant light and sound shows, not my personal preference for being entertained but hey-ho.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 2:55 pm
(@7000eur)
Dweller

What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! 

What if I told you that the remaining 1 and a half season will be just like the dream sequence in "Zen or The Skill To Catch a Killer"?

Would you still be just as thrilled? Would you still call it "art in it's purest form"? We wouldn't get any answers to anything we've seen so far. We would leave everything behind. We would just watch red curtains, Venus De Midici, midgets, and crazy shit that no one but David Lynch gets. Would you still call it a masterpiece? Would you still praise it? I wonder. How much of this can we take?

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:03 pm
(@7000eur)
Dweller

If anything, my point was that this a strange question to ask. The dream from s01e02 was there for the purpose to establish the universe where Twin Peaks actually take place (not a small-town-whodunit, but a mystical drama about lost souls). The sequence from last night was to expand that universe beyond "here and now" to "what and when". 

 

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:08 pm
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(@michael_benedetti)
Dweller

I can take quite a lot, thank you very much.  In fact, I have 'Eraserhead' playing on a permanent loop in my eraser-head.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:08 pm
(@7000eur)
Dweller

It looks like this is a prologue to the overall story and maybe it's depressing for someone that they showed it in the middle of the season, but you know, cinema as whole (not only David Lynch) has the habit of messing with the narrative. It's part of the fun.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:11 pm
(@garymc)
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Posted by: groofay

 

I'm not going to use the "artistic" word, because I really hate how people throw it around, but the idea that television categorically has to be conventionally "entertaining" is frankly ridiculous, and I'm glad that Lynch is playing with the medium as heavily as he did last night. Goodness knows it was well-deserved.

Granted TV doesn't have to be "conventionally" entertaining (try to define that!) but it does have to keep you interested.  If you're creating something but have no audience left by the end of it who have you made it for?

Some interesting points were made in the original post (as well as a high level of anger).
Should we just accept something as brilliant because of its non-conformity or its departure from convention?  Do we celebrate it just because we've never seen TV like it?  The original poster is right in the regard that 10 more hours like Part 8 would soon see the novelty wear off and only people who I don't think I'd like to meet in real life would be left.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:14 pm
(@groofay)
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Posted by: GaryMc
Posted by: groofay

 

I'm not going to use the "artistic" word, because I really hate how people throw it around, but the idea that television categorically has to be conventionally "entertaining" is frankly ridiculous, and I'm glad that Lynch is playing with the medium as heavily as he did last night. Goodness knows it was well-deserved.

Granted TV doesn't have to be "conventionally" entertaining (try to define that!) but it does have to keep you interested.  If you're creating something but have no audience left by the end of it who have you made it for?

Some interesting points were made in the original post (as well as a high level of anger).
Should we just accept something as brilliant because of its non-conformity or its departure from convention?  Do we celebrate it just because we've never seen TV like it?  The original poster is right in the regard that 10 more hours like Part 8 would soon see the novelty wear off and only people who I don't think I'd like to meet in real life would be left.

Of course we shouldn't regard something as brilliant just because it's unconventional. I, for one, admire it because it uses the techniques it uses cogently, contributing to the backstory of the show as a whole and in a very distinctive way. You can depart from convention all you want, but until you do it skilfully, it isn't worth the audience's time. Luckily, Lynch did it very skilfully indeed.

I agree that I wouldn't really want to sit through 10 more hours of this, but like I said earlier, we already know there won't be 10 more hours of it, because there have already been 7 hours that bear little resemblance. The point is moot.

Perhaps I'm a little messed up because I have a penchant for the avant-garde anyway and have no problem with abstraction, but thus far I've found the series extremely interesting and sometimes mind-blowing. This is a show that needed to be made, regardless of any viewers' opinions.

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:35 pm
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Posted by: Eric from Sweden

What if I told you that the remaining 10 episodes will be just like episode 8?! Would you still be just as thrilled? Would you still call it "art in it's purest form"? We wouldn't get any answers to anything we've seen so far. We would leave everything behind. We would just watch explosions, clouds, water, and crazy shit that no one but David Lynch gets. Would you still call it a masterpiece? Would you still praise it? I wonder. How much of this can we take?

 I can overlook all that crazy shit I witnessed today in ep. 8, if I knew there wouldn't be any more episodes like it. But I don't. And that's what I fear the most. I wouldn't be at all surprised if for example the last two episodes are just filled with new weird and crazy scenes all over again.

Episode 8 actually made me angry. I don't know where Lynch is going with this. And where is Mark Frost? What was his contribution to todays episode? Did David Lynch ask for an episode all for himself? Looks like it.

What we witnessed today had no cinematic storytelling to it at all. It was just too weird. Yes, some of you say it's art, and I get that, but I'm not in an art gallery. I'm watching a TV show. I'm watching it to get entertained. Not to get confused or to start making my own interpretations. But maybe I'm one of a kind these days.

I just hope this was an one time thing. No more of this, please. I would gladly watch Dougie's drawn out struggles anytime over this.

Episode 8 didn't make us anymore wiser about anything. It was just plain weird, and again, stole valuable screen time. Yes, I know David Lynch is trying to tell us the story in "his way", but surely he must have known that this episode was way out there.

Episode 8 could just as well been episode 1, but it wasn't. Because if they had shown this episode during the Film Festival in Cannes, as the first episode, I don't think the audiance would have praised it, and I think David Lynch knew that. He knows this episode was too weird for the masses. But how could Showtime let this pass? Probably because the executive at Showtime had already fallen asleep watching episode 1-7.

So, there was my rant. Having said this, I really, really hope we are getting back to the main plotlines in episode 9.

Don't worry people felt the same way after the first look a the red room/black lodge scene back then and we all wants some more 25 years later

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Posted : 26/06/2017 3:43 pm
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