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I can see how "[t]he core of it is Agent Cooper's odyssey back to Twin Peaks", even from what we've seen so far.
I don't think this necessarily means it'll be the last minute of the last scene in which Special Agent Dale Cooper will return. I just can't see a scenario where someone else kills his doppelganger and he magically gets his memories/personality back. It's been a long, slow slog but slowly (yrev, very slowly) Dale is returning. I think this'll be the path that will be pursued.
I'm going to say we'll have 2 (3 if we are lucky!) episodes where Dale is (or nearly is) 100% Special Agent Dale Cooper.
Posters are right though that Dougie's family need some kind of resolution rather than just being abandoned, SA Coop is the ultimate good guy, there's no way he'd do that.
I agree with much of this.
Not sure we'll have an almost back Coop; I can't see how that would play out, unless he's sometimes functional then sometimes back to the meandering Mr Jackpots.
I posted in another thread that it would be in character for him to step up and assume the role of husband and father, maybe telling Janey-E a little about it but largely keeping Sonny Jim in the dark. Maybe he'd also retire from the Bureau, once he completes his debriefing, files the paperwork, then retire to Twin Peaks with a happy family.
I'm thinking of the deliberately cheesy end to Blue Velvet, complete with really badly done animatronic bird.
I guess it'll be, for the most part, SA Dale Cooper as seen in season 1 & 2. It's not that he'll have episodes were he reverts to being Dougie-Dale but he may not remember precisely everything straight-off and there may be slight changes in character. I'm sure that his 25 years in the Red Room / Black Lodge will have taken its toll.
Cheesy ending is definitely a possibility. I believe that this season is supposed to represent a closed story (as in preparations that it may or may not be the last) but that doesn't mean all storylines will be closed (in fact without a few dangling threads a new season would be harder to get going).
I'm not buying any Janey-E and Sonny Jim are manufactured staff. In my perception they are real world people, and, yes, the only family Dale Cooper has. Irony is, of course, they are not really HIS family, yet he had great luck to have them around. Janey E is in fact tough dame and, let's be honest, without her our Coop would be already dead for some dull reasons like hunger, thirst and life on the streets and we already have seen the proofs(!) that he's got warm feelings about them even in his "sleepy" state. The tear in his eyes when looking at HIS son, their great non verbal communication (BTW I think SJ not speaks much only when with his father cause he just knows that they cannot have the conversation now) and most of all my personal favourite: when being attacked and his instinct kicking in, the first thing he does is pushing away his wife to protect her!
So, yes, IF he will ever get his happy ending, and damn, he deserves it, he will stay with "his" family. Not only it is not in his style to leave behind people who love him, who rely on him and whom he owes his life, but that would be real bitter sweet solution of his strange fate. He lost 25(!) years of his life, his career, good name, reputation but also the possibility to find love and start the family, yet he does have the latter, just not the one we would like to think about. No chance at this moment for any romantic highs, any Audreys, Annies, you name it. He needs to accept life as it is now.
I'm sorry for this long and boring scribble...:) I am just the weirdo who really loves the Dougie plot and really enjoy watching and supporting them.
Beautiful post.
I'm not buying any Janey-E and Sonny Jim are manufactured staff. In my perception they are real world people, and, yes, the only family Dale Cooper has. Irony is, of course, they are not really HIS family, yet he had great luck to have them around. Janey E is in fact tough dame and, let's be honest, without her our Coop would be already dead for some dull reasons like hunger, thirst and life on the streets and we already have seen the proofs(!) that he's got warm feelings about them even in his "sleepy" state. The tear in his eyes when looking at HIS son, their great non verbal communication (BTW I think SJ not speaks much only when with his father cause he just knows that they cannot have the conversation now) and most of all my personal favourite: when being attacked and his instinct kicking in, the first thing he does is pushing away his wife to protect her!
So, yes, IF he will ever get his happy ending, and damn, he deserves it, he will stay with "his" family. Not only it is not in his style to leave behind people who love him, who rely on him and whom he owes his life, but that would be real bitter sweet solution of his strange fate. He lost 25(!) years of his life, his career, good name, reputation but also the possibility to find love and start the family, yet he does have the latter, just not the one we would like to think about. No chance at this moment for any romantic highs, any Audreys, Annies, you name it. He needs to accept life as it is now.
I'm sorry for this long and boring scribble...:) I am just the weirdo who really loves the Dougie plot and really enjoy watching and supporting them.
Beautiful post.
Agreed!
The more I think about it the messier it gets for good Dale to go back to Twin Peaks and leave Dougie's family in Vegas. I also can't see them going along to Twin Peaks or let him leave without answers.
Thats why I think JaneyE and Sonny Jim will die soon. Either by Mr C or Spike. And it is this event that wakes Coop up. With them dead, his mind has no real ties to the life of Dougie and he will become good ole' black coffee Dale. This would also help move Dale into action instead of him trying to figure things out about he got to Vegas and how he got out and he won't ask questions. All he wants is to catch the killer of Janey-e and sonny.
The more I think about it the messier it gets for good Dale to go back to Twin Peaks and leave Dougie's family in Vegas. I also can't see them going along to Twin Peaks or let him leave without answers.
Thats why I think JaneyE and Sonny Jim will die soon. Either by Mr C or Spike. And it is this event that wakes Coop up. With them dead, his mind has no real ties to the life of Dougie and he will become good ole' black coffee Dale. This would also help move Dale into action instead of him trying to figure things out about he got to Vegas and how he got out and he won't ask questions. All he wants is to catch the killer of Janey-e and sonny.
That's a plausible scenario, too.
Don't forget, though, there are other people who may be taking an interest in Dougie Jones. The military and police know about the wedding ring found in Garland's corpse, the local police will doubtless be keeping a close eye on things after the car bomb - they got the number plate, remember? - and Ike's attempt to kill him.
Maybe time for a break, take the family away from town for a while. Hey, look! There's this great place called the Great Northern! Let's go there for a while.
That may or may not happen, either. But just consider all the events around Dougie/Dale aren't happening in isolation. I have a feeling a lot of plot lines are going to crash together soon.
The more I think about it the messier it gets for good Dale to go back to Twin Peaks and leave Dougie's family in Vegas. I also can't see them going along to Twin Peaks or let him leave without answers.
Thats why I think JaneyE and Sonny Jim will die soon. Either by Mr C or Spike. And it is this event that wakes Coop up. With them dead, his mind has no real ties to the life of Dougie and he will become good ole' black coffee Dale. This would also help move Dale into action instead of him trying to figure things out about he got to Vegas and how he got out and he won't ask questions. All he wants is to catch the killer of Janey-e and sonny.
That's a plausible scenario, too.
Don't forget, though, there are other people who may be taking an interest in Dougie Jones. The military and police know about the wedding ring found in Garland's corpse, the local police will doubtless be keeping a close eye on things after the car bomb - they got the number plate, remember? - and Ike's attempt to kill him.
Maybe time for a break, take the family away from town for a while. Hey, look! There's this great place called the Great Northern! Let's go there for a while.
That may or may not happen, either. But just consider all the events around Dougie/Dale aren't happening in isolation. I have a feeling a lot of plot lines are going to crash together soon.
Yeah you're right about none of the events happening in isolation, the room key arriving back at the Great Northern kind of kills all Vegas is not real theories. I'm excited to see how all the separate plot developments will tie together. Just how important will insurance fraud turn out to be? (for example).
I mentioned on another thread that I believe Cooper and his new found family will go to Twin Peaks eventually.
Something else to consider: ISTR reading that the show was as much about Dale Cooper's return from his 25 year exile, so don't be too surprised if he wakes up just as the end credits from the final episode start to roll.
I wouldn't think it'll be that near the end since he has to face Doppel-Dale and kill/send him back to the red room / black lodge.
P.S. anyone actually think good Dale is not going to win that fight?
I'm sure that what we have now is "two Good-Coop" and they will have to reunited for the sake of the confused one!!! just like in Lost Highway when the two caractere merge!!!
I mentioned on another thread that I believe Cooper and his new found family will go to Twin Peaks eventually.
Something else to consider: ISTR reading that the show was as much about Dale Cooper's return from his 25 year exile, so don't be too surprised if he wakes up just as the end credits from the final episode start to roll.
I wouldn't think it'll be that near the end since he has to face Doppel-Dale and kill/send him back to the red room / black lodge.
P.S. anyone actually think good Dale is not going to win that fight?
I'm sure that what we have now is "two Good-Coop" and they will have to reunited for the sake of the confused one!!! just like in Lost Highway when the two caractere merge!!!
I think we have one confused good Coop and one very, very annoyed bad Coop.
Yes I had a feeling she had something to do with the Lodge, as she protected Dougie from police questioning. I think that would make the most sense, those two maybe even being inhabited by lodge spirits. Sonny Jim has this intuitive connection with DougieDale. Interesting.
Good point, and it would be intresting if that came into it. I did not see your previous post about your son. I feel "called in" by your comment, for which I am thankful, and sorry that it was needed.
Good point, and it would be intresting if that came into it. I did not see your previous post about your son. I feel "called in" by your comment, for which I am thankful, and sorry that it was needed.
Good point, and it would be intresting if that came into it. I did not see your previous post about your son. I feel "called in" by your comment, for which I am thankful, and sorry that it was needed.
Who, me? If so, that's ok, no worries.
The more I think about it the messier it gets for good Dale to go back to Twin Peaks and leave Dougie's family in Vegas. I also can't see them going along to Twin Peaks or let him leave without answers.
Thats why I think JaneyE and Sonny Jim will die soon. Either by Mr C or Spike. And it is this event that wakes Coop up. With them dead, his mind has no real ties to the life of Dougie and he will become good ole' black coffee Dale. This would also help move Dale into action instead of him trying to figure things out about he got to Vegas and how he got out and he won't ask questions. All he wants is to catch the killer of Janey-e and sonny.
That's a plausible scenario, too.
Don't forget, though, there are other people who may be taking an interest in Dougie Jones. The military and police know about the wedding ring found in Garland's corpse, the local police will doubtless be keeping a close eye on things after the car bomb - they got the number plate, remember? - and Ike's attempt to kill him.
Maybe time for a break, take the family away from town for a while. Hey, look! There's this great place called the Great Northern! Let's go there for a while.
That may or may not happen, either. But just consider all the events around Dougie/Dale aren't happening in isolation. I have a feeling a lot of plot lines are going to crash together soon.
I totally overlooked that, but I do think there's a strong possibility Janey-E is getting a call from the military regarding Dougie's ring and that's bound to stir some shit up. Maybe that ends up with Cooper's awakening.
I think they'll be getting a call, a visit, the whole works. Don't think it'll wake Coop because things are never that simple in TP.
Sometimes, the show reminds me of those weird anxiety dreams when you're in some place but can't get out. You see the exit, you start to walk to it but there's something in your way, so you change direction, backtrack a little and no matter how you try, the door is always distant.
I could be proven wrong in the very next episode, but I believe that Cooper is going to wake up very soon. Phillip "Mike" Gerard beckoned him to do so with great insistence and also said that the other Cooper had to die. Ray did a good job of making sure Cooper was dead this time even if it was temporary. Now if that's enough to qualify, I think DougieCoop may finally be released and able to function on his faculties with greater success.
If not, I'll be slightly disappointed but nevertheless fascinated to see what happens next.
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