Yes, I suppose Numpty is a good word for him.
But I didn't see him being "slippy in the head" quite yet. Examples?
It wasn't overt but he was, even back from a coma, consumed with the idea of saving Laura. His intent wasn't to get to Twin Peaks and defeat Mr C, clean up the mess in the Lodges, help the Fireman out with his rodent problem or any of that. He just wanted to be the hero and save Laura.
He could have at least stopped for coffee, had a chat with Gordon and maybe enlisted the help of the Sheriff's Department, Freddie and the rest of the gang but noooo... Let's risk everything by going through that door.
Daft bugger.
Yes, I suppose Numpty is a good word for him.
But I didn't see him being "slippy in the head" quite yet. Examples?
It wasn't overt but he was, even back from a coma, consumed with the idea of saving Laura. His intent wasn't to get to Twin Peaks and defeat Mr C, clean up the mess in the Lodges, help the Fireman out with his rodent problem or any of that. He just wanted to be the hero and save Laura.
He could have at least stopped for coffee, had a chat with Gordon and maybe enlisted the help of the Sheriff's Department, Freddie and the rest of the gang but noooo... Let's risk everything by going through that door.
Daft bugger.
I think he had a broader idea of the importance of Laura's spirit in regards to its importance in facing Mother. Not just "duuuuuh, save the girl."
Yes, I suppose Numpty is a good word for him.
But I didn't see him being "slippy in the head" quite yet. Examples?
It wasn't overt but he was, even back from a coma, consumed with the idea of saving Laura. His intent wasn't to get to Twin Peaks and defeat Mr C, clean up the mess in the Lodges, help the Fireman out with his rodent problem or any of that. He just wanted to be the hero and save Laura.
He could have at least stopped for coffee, had a chat with Gordon and maybe enlisted the help of the Sheriff's Department, Freddie and the rest of the gang but noooo... Let's risk everything by going through that door.
Daft bugger.
Gotcha. I see what you're saying now. And by that explanation, definitely being "slippy" and daft. And rather self serving and narrow sighted and selfish really.
In fact, I didn't see it until now that his reasoning and behavior were not in the slightest altruistic. Was he really just trying to "save himself" and consequences be damned?
It all pointed to Laura dying that night. She knew it herself. But she didn't die. She knew everything that related to her death - BOB, the physical form he took, and she would've probably laid off on the cocaine (finally) with Cooper watching her back. Which brings us to the important part that she indeed had Cooper watching her back - someone else who knew about BOB, as well as Judy (probably Sarah). This was, in my mind, what Cooper meant when he said "two birds with one stone". Laura alive, Judy obliterated. Happily ever after for everyone in the small town of Twin Peaks - but, then again, all the bad things Laura's death led into in the first place, were kinda inevitable. Happily two weeks after?
Yeah, I guess you're right, it was pointless.
It all pointed to Laura dying that night. She knew it herself. But she didn't die. She knew everything that related to her death - BOB, the physical form he took, and she would've probably laid off on the cocaine (finally) with Cooper watching her back. Which brings us to the important part that she indeed had Cooper watching her back - someone else who knew about BOB, as well as Judy (probably Sarah). This was, in my mind, what Cooper meant when he said "two birds with one stone". Laura alive, Judy obliterated. Happily ever after for everyone in the small town of Twin Peaks - but, then again, all the bad things Laura's death led into in the first place, were kinda inevitable. Happily two weeks after?
Yeah, I guess you're right, it was pointless.
I'm convinced the Fireman's "Two birds" and all that malarkey was a warning, not advice. Like the beacon in Alien, saying, "Just go as far away as fast as you can and don't ever come back", the Fireman was telling Cooper to give up on his foolish quest.
It all pointed to Laura dying that night. She knew it herself. But she didn't die. She knew everything that related to her death - BOB, the physical form he took, and she would've probably laid off on the cocaine (finally) with Cooper watching her back. Which brings us to the important part that she indeed had Cooper watching her back - someone else who knew about BOB, as well as Judy (probably Sarah). This was, in my mind, what Cooper meant when he said "two birds with one stone". Laura alive, Judy obliterated. Happily ever after for everyone in the small town of Twin Peaks - but, then again, all the bad things Laura's death led into in the first place, were kinda inevitable. Happily two weeks after?
Yeah, I guess you're right, it was pointless.
I'm convinced the Fireman's "Two birds" and all that malarkey was a warning, not advice. Like the beacon in Alien, saying, "Just go as far away as fast as you can and don't ever come back", the Fireman was telling Cooper to give up on his foolish quest.
I am moving closer and closer to this hypothesis.
Bob "should" of been gone by then, so depending on what "home" looked like then
Cooper asked Jeffries to reset time to the day Laura was killed, which is what is happening with the figure 8, Jeffries is showing Cooper how to manipulate time. So Cooper is actually going back physically to that time and place. The fact that Laura leaves that timeline when taken away means he was actually taking her back to her real home that night. Avoiding her murder. Confident now that he can handle BOB. I don't think he thought Judy/Jowday could do what she did in taking Laura.
The fact that Laura leaves that timeline when taken away means he was actually taking her back to her real home that night. Avoiding her murder. Confident now that he can handle BOB. I don't think he thought Judy/Jowday could do what she did in taking Laura.
How does that mean he was taking back to her little white house on the quiet little street?
He would have been taking her back to her rapist and her drugs and her misery, and possibly her super scary (or incredibly badass?) mother.
Laura's life was trashed. She was in a living hell. I'm sure I'll get tarred and feathered for this, but possibly the best thing that could happen to her would be death..... or a trip back "home" where the golden orb was created. Maybe Dido and Fireman are her real parents.
Bob "should" of been gone by then, so depending on what "home" looked like then
Why would Bob have been gone by then? He was still there, with Leland.
So... what sort of situation was Cooper leading Laura back to that night?
Hi Matthew,
Geographically, Cooper was leading Laura to 253 yards east of Jack Rabbit's (it was about the bunnies, after all ;-)) Palace, to put her on the vortex elevator back home to the White Lodge.
From the Fireman she came, to the Fireman she shall return.
And Cooper wasn't leading her to a situation, but away from one - her violent death. Taking her out of the timeline - not to mention the world - at this point wouldn't disrupt anything - sort of how the dinosaur hunting worked in that old Ray Bradbury story "A Sound of Thunder."
But - best laid plans - Laura was snatched away amidst the cricket-like chirping of frog-moths. =:-O
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How does that mean he was taking back to her little white house on the quiet little street?
He would have been taking her back to her rapist and her drugs and her misery, and possibly her super scary (or incredibly badass?) mother.
Laura's life was trashed. She was in a living hell. I'm sure I'll get tarred and feathered for this, but possibly the best thing that could happen to her would be death..... or a trip back "home" where the golden orb was created. Maybe Dido and Fireman are her real parents.
I think with BOB eliminated from the situation the Leland family would live a very different life. Her life was a hell, made by BOB. As far as Sarah being inhabited by Experiment/Jowday/Judy/BOB's Mom that doesn't happen till Laura is dead and maybe not ever if Laura doesn't die. Which might explain why she is so angry and busting up Laura's photo when Cooper is leading Laura away from her death.
How does that mean he was taking back to her little white house on the quiet little street?
He would have been taking her back to her rapist and her drugs and her misery, and possibly her super scary (or incredibly badass?) mother.
Laura's life was trashed. She was in a living hell. I'm sure I'll get tarred and feathered for this, but possibly the best thing that could happen to her would be death..... or a trip back "home" where the golden orb was created. Maybe Dido and Fireman are her real parents.
I think with BOB eliminated from the situation the Leland family would live a very different life. Her life was a hell, made by BOB. As far as Sarah being inhabited by Experiment/Jowday/Judy/BOB's Mom that doesn't happen till Laura is dead and maybe not ever if Laura doesn't die. Which might explain why she is so angry and busting up Laura's photo when Cooper is leading Laura away from her death.
But that would require him changing the past, like before Laura was 12 and BOB started coming through her window. I didn't get that from this scene. He was keeping her from from getting wrapped in plastic, yes. But I'm unclear how it would change anything that happened before that moment.
Please keep in mind that I am not discrediting your theory, just trying to understand it and debate it.
And to those of you who think he was taking her to the White Lodge, what would that accomplish? The lodge residents like the Fireman don't seem able to impact directly on earthly events. Briggs has no power on earth either. The idea in the show suggested that Laura had some mission in this world. I agree with Brandy that I wish they would lay off her, but nevertheless some kind of role was assigned to her and her alone. Unless she can fulfill it, balance won't be restored.
But then why do we need balance, anyway? Maybe the lodges are just sources of oppressive conservative ideas.
My thinking on taking her to the lodge was to take her out of all the suffering and to somewhere "safe."
Of course this was probably misguided by Cooper as well since I am starting to join the thought that Cooper was messing everything up even worse, so whatever he did was probably gong to be the wrong thing.
In my defense, I didn't really give it much meaningful thought at the time or really much since. I was just trying to figure out WHERE he would be referring to as home since her house was not an okay place to be.
The lodge could indeed be a not so great place as well. I like the oppressive conservative ideas theory.
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