So....Diane was Naido,,,which makes Shooting Diane a Tulpa
Coop was Dougie Jones which makes other Dougie Jones his Tulpa
What is Carrie was a Tulpa then maybe....Candie was Laura after all?
that would explain why carrie has another life which is different just like dougie did...it would explain also why Carrie had some repressed memories...
it would explain why candie is so central and brainwashed and behaves like a child sometimes and saying that they "saved her"
I KNOW I JUST KNOW THAT there is an answer somewhere.....its just too complicated to get there but I KNOW we missed something...something to do with different timelinses different things happening in different dimensions and something went wrong!!!!
there was too much attention to times and hours and numbers and it was overlooked, something is hiding in those times (like Andy meeting up at 430 or Diane's text number being at different times....) we all know it wasnt a mistake...
I forget who mentioned it, but someone pointed out that 'Carrie Paige' might mean that she is still carrying that one missing page of the diary that was never discovered. I like this explanation, shows can never get rid of the pain and dreams from original Twin Peaks....eraserhead fails, she shot that man in Odessa, etc.....also I like the idea you put of Carrie being Laura's 'Dougie', fits well.....also shows the result of this solution in everyday life...
Murat I was looking for you actually because having read your posts for the last 4 months I believe you might be the one to shed some light....what did you think of the ending? I believed since the beginning that it was going to be a "circle" story as to start where we left....unresolved...like a dream...
but I also feel like im missing something.....
Murat I was looking for you actually because having read your posts for the last 4 months I believe you might be the one to shed some light....what did you think of the ending? I believed since the beginning that it was going to be a "circle" story as to start where we left....unresolved...like a dream...
but I also feel like im missing something.....
What Ive got right now is that the ending was the return of Cooper, Laura, and Twin Peaks proper, the result of the attempt at a 'happy ending' where Agent Cooper would come back like a zombie from 1989 and just 'get things done', put everything to rest. Both Mr. C and Dougie/Cooper were both trying to merely 'factually' solve the issue: Mr. C was trying to take Judy as property after going mad, and Dougie/Cooper was playing eraserhead, just trying to factually undo all of the consequences of the first series, as if he had never been in Twin Peaks and gone mad after it crushed his dreams. Agent Cooper is now returning with Laura, who also was playing eraserhead and trying to go back to natural life(this is why Laura could not visit the fireman and said 'I was young, did not know better, etc.', then just live on as if it did not affect her or anything else, ended up in Odessa with the problems 'bubbling under'.) And this is why we have the return of the original Twin Peaks, the murder of Laura Palmer, Agent Cooper proper return, after appropriating Judy(going to Judy's diner, confronting the truck drivers around there, standing up for dreams that were crushed), now Cooper has the negative distance from life, he can see after the motel with Diane and Odessa that it cannot just be followed, the dreams are in an antagonistic discord, thus he is more effective now and returning to Twin Peaks proper, rather than thinking 'viva las vegas' will somehow allow him to forget everything that happened.
Also, if you want, check out what ive got on the 'Judy as a extreme negative force thread'....says more about Mr. C and Dougie/Cooper...
ok what you say makes sense and it would make sense that this new cooper is eventually the mix between eraserhead dougie and evil serious mr c
so...everyone wants to forget..and live on like nothing happened....but not THE MOTHER she well alive and causing havoc....evil doesn't sleep nor rest
so on one side we have the "good" who want to forget and move on but are not allowed to do so because evil will always come knocking back on their door.
it reminded me so much of the matrix....sleeping...dreaming of a fake world where we think we live and exist but we are actually in another dimesion hooked up to cables that keep us alive while the system sucks us alive...
maybe cooper should have looked at Judys in Seattle... there is something wrong with the Odessa thing..
I think Laura was the tulpa of Carrie Page. Laura's body dissappeared. Carrie remained.
I forget who mentioned it, but someone pointed out that 'Carrie Paige' might mean that she is still carrying that one missing page of the diary that was never discovered. I like this explanation, shows can never get rid of the pain and dreams from original Twin Peaks....eraserhead fails, she shot that man in Odessa, etc.....also I like the idea you put of Carrie being Laura's 'Dougie', fits well.....also shows the result of this solution in everyday life...
Woah woah, that's awesome. Was this pointed out in a different thread or on Reddit? I love it, the new name has to be significant.
I forget who mentioned it, but someone pointed out that 'Carrie Paige' might mean that she is still carrying that one missing page of the diary that was never discovered. I like this explanation, shows can never get rid of the pain and dreams from original Twin Peaks....eraserhead fails, she shot that man in Odessa, etc.....also I like the idea you put of Carrie being Laura's 'Dougie', fits well.....also shows the result of this solution in everyday life...
Woah woah, that's awesome. Was this pointed out in a different thread or on Reddit? I love it, the new name has to be significant.
I found it again earlier. It was pointed out on this forum, at least where I read it first, by William De Bruijn:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/final-scene/
What I am interested in is what was on that last missing page and what Laura whispered to Cooper, maybe what she is screaming about now with the 'mother' flashing in the bedroom window, negativity that is inside her , Sarah, and Cooper, maybe? They are learning to deal with it, use it for dreams, etc., so it does not use them as some kind of natural force, like it did with Mr. C?
I forget who mentioned it, but someone pointed out that 'Carrie Paige' might mean that she is still carrying that one missing page of the diary that was never discovered. I like this explanation, shows can never get rid of the pain and dreams from original Twin Peaks....eraserhead fails, she shot that man in Odessa, etc.....also I like the idea you put of Carrie being Laura's 'Dougie', fits well.....also shows the result of this solution in everyday life...
Woah woah, that's awesome. Was this pointed out in a different thread or on Reddit? I love it, the new name has to be significant.
I found it again earlier. It was pointed out on this forum, at least where I read it first, by William De Bruijn:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/final-scene/
What I am interested in is what was on that last missing page and what Laura whispered to Cooper, maybe what she is screaming about now with the 'mother' flashing in the bedroom window, negativity that is inside her , Sarah, and Cooper, maybe? They are learning to deal with it, use it for dreams, etc., so it does not use them as some kind of natural force, like it did with Mr. C?
And just from a storytelling perspective, Lynch always knew he wanted the mystery of Laura Palmer to be the heart and soul of the show. Perhaps by bringing us back to these two important mysteries, what is on the missing diary page and what did she whisper to Cooper that made him gasp in that way, he is preserving that mystery. That was his way of keeping Laura alive.
I forget who mentioned it, but someone pointed out that 'Carrie Paige' might mean that she is still carrying that one missing page of the diary that was never discovered. I like this explanation, shows can never get rid of the pain and dreams from original Twin Peaks....eraserhead fails, she shot that man in Odessa, etc.....also I like the idea you put of Carrie being Laura's 'Dougie', fits well.....also shows the result of this solution in everyday life...
Woah woah, that's awesome. Was this pointed out in a different thread or on Reddit? I love it, the new name has to be significant.
I found it again earlier. It was pointed out on this forum, at least where I read it first, by William De Bruijn:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/final-scene/
What I am interested in is what was on that last missing page and what Laura whispered to Cooper, maybe what she is screaming about now with the 'mother' flashing in the bedroom window, negativity that is inside her , Sarah, and Cooper, maybe? They are learning to deal with it, use it for dreams, etc., so it does not use them as some kind of natural force, like it did with Mr. C?
And just from a storytelling perspective, Lynch always knew he wanted the mystery of Laura Palmer to be the heart and soul of the show. Perhaps by bringing us back to these two important mysteries, what is on the missing diary page and what did she whisper to Cooper that made him gasp in that way, he is preserving that mystery. That was his way of keeping Laura alive.
Really like that idea. Like she said she was dead but she was alive. Obvs she's kept alive in a meta way by the show and Lynch's and the fans continuation of the Laura mystery. As long that's alive Cooper and Laura remain alive in our reality. I heard that the woman who plays Alice Tremond who answered the door is the actual woman who owns that house aswell: more blending of reality with twin peaks world or whatever dimension they were in there at the end!
No Carrie Paige was the real Laura.
Agreed.
what do you mean tho? CARRIE PAGE was the real Laura as in "our world?" our reality?
If we accept the theory that Cooper and Laura end up in our reality and break the fourth wall then should he be asking "which world are we in? which dimension?" instead of "what year is it?"
it is not about years anymore but about dimensions.....
The clues that I think support this idea: -When Cooper asks the 'Laura Palmer' that is in the Black Lodge if she is Laura Palmer, she replies "I think I know her but sometimes my arms bend back".
-The arm also says "She's my cousin, but doesn't she look exactly like Laura Palmer?"
-At the end of Fire Walk With Me, we see Laura Palmer with Cooper, an angel is also there. I interpret this as Coop having actually saved Laura and that maybe he got her to the White Lodge .
-The Fireman ,in the Return, also shows an image of Laura Palmer with angels to Andy(?).
-In FWWM on the night of Laura's death, the last time she talks to James she says "Your Laura's gone, it's just me now."
-Carrie Page has a white horse on her mantle. Sarah Palmer was often shown with a white horse. I agree with the theory that Judy is possessing Sarah Palmer. So if Carrie Page is a tulpa, I believe she was manufactured by Judy and maybe Judy inhabits her. I could also be totally wrong.
-Judy inhabiting a Laura Palmer tulpa would also help to explain why when Sarah Palmer removes her face in the bar, we see the experiment/the mother/judy's hand and Laura Palmer's teeth(from her prom photo), in her head.
I also think the theory about the name Carrie Page being a reference to the missing diary pages is a great one! :}
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