Odessa scenes before episode 18  

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(@gareth_harbord)
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So i'm thinking Jeffries showing the figure 8 flipping was more about inversion than reconfiguration. The white/black lodges spilling out their duality into the world around them creating two distinct but connected worlds rather than a multiple timeline paradox sci fi type setup.

With that in mind it would mean there are always two worlds. I wonder how much of these we have already seen?

Id hazard a guess that the disjointed scenes in the Double RR club from most s3 episodes were the Odessa world. Maybe the trailer park/Harry Dean Stanton bits.

 

Any thoughts?

 

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:43 pm
(@cyndeewillow)
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I wonder what that black dot on the figure eight was supposed to be.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:50 pm
(@rocksem)
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I don't get the big mystery people see when Cooper talks to Jeffries. He asks to go to 1989, the actions with the 8, etc. are Jeffries changing the date to what Cooper wanted. Manipulating time. Then Jeffries says "here you go" and Cooper leaves and it's 1989. This isn't a complicated scene.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:51 pm
(@chris_gorgon)
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I think you're free to interpret whatever however you want.  Personally I think you're trying to 'fit' scenes somewhere to follow a kind of logic that the season didn't actually follow.  

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:52 pm
(@rocksem)
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The 8 is the Loop of time. The Black dot is like "You are here" Jeffries moves that to 1989 as Cooper asked and Cooper goes out into 1989.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:52 pm
(@teo-peaks)
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Posted by: RocksEm

I don't get the big mystery people see when Cooper talks to Jeffries. He asks to go to 1989, the actions with the 8, etc. are Jeffries changing the date to what Cooper wanted. Manipulating time. Then Jeffries says "here you go" and Cooper leaves and it's 1989. This isn't a complicated scene.

I didn't get that to be honest

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:55 pm
(@claudius-second)
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Posted by: RocksEm

The 8 is the Loop of time. The Black dot is like "You are here" Jeffries moves that to 1989 as Cooper asked and Cooper goes out into 1989.

thats right

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Posted : 08/09/2017 1:57 pm
(@cyndeewillow)
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Posted by: ClaudiusSecond
Posted by: RocksEm

The 8 is the Loop of time. The Black dot is like "You are here" Jeffries moves that to 1989 as Cooper asked and Cooper goes out into 1989.

thats right

Seems quite possible.

"Big mystery"--well, it's nice to be so sure of things right. Consider it a gift, I guess. We all see bits and parts of the mystery.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 2:02 pm
(@rocksem)
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Posted by: Teo Peaks
Posted by: RocksEm

I don't get the big mystery people see when Cooper talks to Jeffries. He asks to go to 1989, the actions with the 8, etc. are Jeffries changing the date to what Cooper wanted. Manipulating time. Then Jeffries says "here you go" and Cooper leaves and it's 1989. This isn't a complicated scene.

I didn't get that to be honest

If that isn't what happened how did Cooper get to 1989?

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Posted : 08/09/2017 2:39 pm
(@rocksem)
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Posted by: cyndeewillow
Posted by: ClaudiusSecond
Posted by: RocksEm

The 8 is the Loop of time. The Black dot is like "You are here" Jeffries moves that to 1989 as Cooper asked and Cooper goes out into 1989.

thats right

Seems quite possible.

"Big mystery"--well, it's nice to be so sure of things right. Consider it a gift, I guess. We all see bits and parts of the mystery.

Not everything Lynch does is complicated. Sometimes he's just giving you the information.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 2:41 pm
(@gareth_harbord)
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Yeah not disputing the time travel element of the dot. But i definitely think the 8 flipping sides is significant.

Its hard not to fit things you see around a theory. Bias makes it really hard picking things apart.

I do think theres a good chance that some of the scenes we have seen this season before 18 may not have taken place in one world.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 2:42 pm
(@cyndeewillow)
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Think of all the people who were so certain that Judy was Josie's sister. "Josie" even wrote a letter about her sister Judy. It seemed very straightforward.

This isn't being constructed according to a logical vision, although occasionally logic works in it. 

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Posted : 08/09/2017 2:49 pm
(@rocksem)
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Posted by: Gareth Harbord

Yeah not disputing the time travel element of the dot. But i definitely think the 8 flipping sides is significant.

Its hard not to fit things you see around a theory. Bias makes it really hard picking things apart.

I do think theres a good chance that some of the scenes we have seen this season before 18 may not have taken place in one world.

I took the flipping of the 8 to be needed to change time but the Dot needs to end up in the same place for Cooper to exit so the flip becomes needed. Kind of like the way you have to manipulate a wood ring puzzle to get the configuration you want. Or a Rubik's cube.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 2:51 pm
(@rocksem)
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Posted by: cyndeewillow

Think of all the people who were so certain that Judy was Josie's sister. "Josie" even wrote a letter about her sister Judy. It seemed very straightforward.

This isn't being constructed according to a logical vision, although occasionally logic works in it. 

Given we see Josie among the few people from Twin Peaks in the "Laura's body gone" sequence and then Judy/Sarah Palmer wrecking the picture I would think that Josie is Judy's sister is far from dead. 

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Posted : 08/09/2017 3:10 pm
(@gareth_harbord)
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I probably started off this thread on the wrong foot by mentioning the Jeffries' scene first.

I dont have an exhaustive list but there are other possible clues .. the main one that comes to mind is Mike's "between two worlds..." phrase. It was assumed to mean the lodge/real world. Perhaps it was referring to the Odessa world?

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Posted : 08/09/2017 3:11 pm
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