WELCOME TO TWIN PEAKS | Fanning the fire, one (b)log at a time | And there's always David Lynch in the air...
“Diane... Entering the town of Twin Peaks.”

Twin Peaks & David Lynch Forums

Notifications
Clear all

Cooper's Two Birds

34 Posts
21 Users
44 Reactions
7,417 Views
(@maurice_dumont)
Posts: 86
Trusted Member
 

But has Mr. C really already met Judy, then? Where, when, why, what?

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:54 pm
(@kyle-anderson)
Posts: 104
Estimable Member
 

So the two birds are two versions of Coopers (tulpa/doppelgängers/different dimensional identities) and the stone is the golden seed? I feel confused.

Posted by: Maurice Dumont

But has Mr. C really already met Judy, then? Where, when, why, what?

Isn't BOB a direct derivation of the Mother/Jowday/Judy?

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:56 pm
(@zodas)
Posts: 156
Estimable Member
 
Posted by: Sonia Kay

I could be wrong (and I'll be interested if someone took it totally differently), but I thought he believed he could return Doppel-Coop to the Lodge and in the same process - I mean, as long as he was messing around with alternative dimensions and all - he could get to a place where he could change Laura's fate.

...but Dale wrote that message before Dopple-Coop ever existed.

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 4:31 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
Posts: 472
Reputable Member
 
Posted by: Christen Phillips

It certainly seems like we fell into the Cooper mistake of thinking there might be a quick fix for something as negative and powerful as Judy seems to be.  I suppose that's his infinite mistake.  But it's also the core of his identity, the optimistic intuitive FBI hero. 

Oh boy, not really any assumptions here.  Just wild guesses.  I feel like I'm shooting arrows at a target someone TOLD me was in the woods but I have to take it on faith that it's there.

Judy is 'inexistence' the void/vortex etc. in nature, thats why shooting arrows at it always misses, there is no 'fact' to pin down; and this is also what makes the 'superhero' solution fail and brings us back to Cooper going to 430 and his search again, there is nowhere to go after youve 'shot' Judy but to the slow decay and sleepwalking of Odessa, with Judy right under the surface.  And this is also why Briggs, Jeffries, Cooper, etc. all 'disappeared' and went mad, they were all looking for something, dreams, some kind of 'answer' from nature/world, etc., they got 'inexistence' as the answer. This is also what is behind the 'blue rose' cases and tulpas, where the 'troubling abstractions' come from, in response to the pain and dreams which come off of this negativity, the meaninglessness etc., in the face of dreaming.  But this force is also the source of freedom and dreams, the negative force as embodied in humans, gives us the distance from nature to properly treat this negativity as negative, have negative reactions to it, dreams of something better, we have to do it and this is what is most important, makes animal coupling into love, etc., makes things 'transcendent' and important to humans.  This is why we see Cooper's face appearing as 'the dreamer' who does not exist right at the moment of 'completion', a negative reaction to existing as 'good old Agent Cooper' when Cooper has to disappear again: the dreamer does not exist, and thus it is free to dream, is a negative from nature, not completely overwhelmed or determined by it....the dreamer is free because of Judy, because of 'inexistence', and the 'superhero solution' kills freedom and dreams....

I agree with you that Cooper fell into the quick fix trap, but he has remedied this in 18 after going to Judy's diner and the source of negativity in Twin Peaks, to stand for dreams despite the meaninglessness of it all, the lack of nature's guarantee or the possibility of a 'superhero solution' makes dreams all the more important and serious, requiring a stern negative reaction to those false guarantees and the sleepwalking of Twin Peaks/nature that culminates into Odessa Texas, slow decay into violence and barbarism as default, et. This is what I was so worried about when Cooper woke up in Vegas, as if the old Cooper is back, is not facing up to the problems that drove him mad, ignoring the entire 'blue rose' mission, etc., this Cooper was calling out to BOB again, just like the original one who first entered Twin Peaks, and this is why BOB came to Cooper first, and if it was not for Freddie, the entire cycle would have repeated in a meaningless repetition. Freddies intervention allowed to kill BOB, the automatic negative and blind momentum of nature, and this gives the negative space of Cooper and Laura to break out of the 'completion' cycle in 18 and start with dream and pain with the proper importance they deserve.  The negative force, Judy, makes dreams all the more important to think about, stick to, etc, since there is no natural guarantee to fall back on, just the slow decay of nature, thus one must be very negative towards it, and 'tougher', like the new Cooper.  This does not mean that the 'optimistic' and cool stuff about original Cooper is gone forever, just that he has to start here, if he ever wants to really see any of that again, really believe in it, after all he has seen and been through.....

Also notice that in Judy's diner, Agent Cooper proper is now talking like that kid who was watching the glass box when he says 'I dont know if that oil is hot enough to set off those bullets, but I would stand away if I were you', just like that kid in New York said to his girlfriend 'I dont know what you are going to do if the guard comes back'.  Cooper is now where he could not be at the beginning, in that kid who was staring at the void/negativity, but the difference now is that he just warns about the bullets and moves on, knows there is negativity/danger, deals with and leaves, while the kid was more focused on guilt, the guard, etc., and thus is overcome by 'mother nature', the danger/luck/contingency, the lack of a guarantee, being overpowered by the meaningless barbarism of natural force,  just like Steven felt so much guilt he shot himself in the middle of the woods, looking for 'superhero solution'.  This Cooper knows the luck/lack of guarantee, the 'seven heaven' that Dougie loves so much, is the randomness coming off of Judy/negativity/void, no way to eliminate it here and certainly is not always going to bring jackpots but moves to Odessa; but also now Cooper is confronting this negatively and rationally, no longer fearing it, standing for dreams in the face of meaninglessness and randomness, arbitrary and remorseless decay and violence of nature....

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 4:52 pm
Page 3 / 3
Share:
WELCOME TO TWIN PEAKS | Fanning the fire, one (b)log at a time | And there's always David Lynch in the air...
// Put this code snippet inside script tag

Log In

Forgot password?

Forgot password?

Enter your account data and we will send you a link to reset your password.


Your password reset link appears to be invalid or expired.

Log in

Privacy Policy

Add to Collection

No Collections

Here you'll find all collections you've created before.

Shopping cart0
There are no products in the cart!
Continue shopping
0