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I have a theory, and I believe I may have found "empirical" evidence to support it. First, I need to explain where I come from: I first was disappointed (and fascinated) by both parts of the finale. I never really liked the idea of Freddie's who seemed 'manufactured' to me, and not in par with the level and theme of the original series, Mulholland Drive, etc. I only felt I understood and appreciate Lynch when the supernatural was part of some protagonist's subconscious. The idea of the Bob orb flying in the room in front of everyone, later to be destroyed by a superhero, doesn't sit well in this perspective. Therefore, things in the show are only real when they are not real (i.e.- supernatural events get their meaning from being part of someone's imagination, but are not reality). The only way to understand what is real is to realize, as Coop and Gordon say, that this is a dream. Who's dream is it?
I now believe that it is Audrey's dream; that she is clinically depressed, and going through electroshock treatments (proof coming up), and much like in Mulholland Drive, she created a dreamworld. I believe that the character of Dale Cooper from the original series is not real: He possesses much of MD Betty's over-the-top naïveté, purity, and optimism. Richard was the real agent who came to investigate Laura's murder. Audrey fell in love with him and helped him to solve the murder, and became invested in Laura's fate. Richard's character is much more 'realistic' and imperfect as we can see in the diner scene. He probably broke Audrey's heart to be with Linda, who became Dianne in Audrey's mind. Audrey's son was named after agent Richard, and is either his son, or Charlie's son. In Audrey's subconscious Richard is split in two: the good in him became Dale Cooper, and the bad - Mr. C. Electricity, which was what allowed moving from one world to another, or different states in Audrey's mind. Something about the electrical sounds, and references in those moments prompted me to search in Google: "electroshock treatment 430", and I came up with an article about a woman suffering for years from clinical depression, who had undergone more electroshock treatments than anyone in history. The number of treatments was 430. The closer we get to this number the more Audrey is pulled from her condition and then elements of reality are revealed, first and foremost, Richard and Linda. Here's the link:
https://www.healthyplace.com/depression/articles/woman-sets-record-for-shock-treatment/
I was excited to find this. Would love to know what you guys think!
That is really interesting, and especially interesting that IRL those treatments started in 1989, the year the Cooper / Twin Peaks chronology begins. I don't know what the timeline is on seasons 1 & 2 but I assume they play out over a couple of weeks, which would mean that Audrey also underwent shock treatment from 1989.
. . . Sorry dude, you've entered Fan Fiction territory
I was so happy to read this post because I too thought it was Audrey's dream! If you go back to Season 1 (The One Armed Man) there is a scene that takes place between Donna and Audrey in their HS bathroom. They're talking about Laura. Audrey tells Donna that she's been doing some research, that there's no use for algebra. Donna replies by saying that Audrey should run away and "Join the circus." Audrey pauses for a moment and goes, "Escape... I have a better idea.... A tall dark and handsome stranger falls madly in love with me. He takes me away to life of mystery and intentional intrigue!"
Donna stops putting on her lip stick and says," You mean the FBI agent? Dream on." Audrey quickly responds by saying, "Maybe. Or, maybe he'll realize I'm the woman of his dreams because I'm the one who's going to help him find out who killed Laura.
I thought it was interesting that Donna doesn't say "Agent Dale Cooper." She just says FBI Agent. Kind of ambiguous. This is the dialogue that helped me answer Gordon's question of who's dream it is. Cooper then re-enforces this by saying we're all live in someone's dream.
For the most part, I think we're seeing Audrey's dream played out. However, from time to time there are just some bleed overs of other people's dreams. That's why the music pieces are soo important. They help tune you in to who's real story line we're watching.
The only other thing I wanted to add to your theory Assaf Sommer is that in the third to last episode of the final season, there is that split second where Audrey is staring into a mirror saying,"I've gotta get out!" So, I think we're right! She did dream up this whole scenario because she was the one with the mental problems not her brother.
I think, given the end of Audrey's story, that it is likely that Audrey is in some kind of institution or dream, which muddies the waters a bit further. But I think most of the references to dreams are red herrings on Frost/Lynch's part that allow them to get away with the surrealism and some things not making logical sense.
It could be Cooper's dream, Audrey's dream, or Dick Tremayne's dream; at the end of the day, all the dream theories don't explain anything. The bottom line is that it all is someone's dream - Lynch/Frost's dream - but within that construct, some things are meant to make sense because they are trying to communicate feelings or thoughts about the action we're seeing. In MD there was sense in this because DL wanted us to learn who Diane really was. None of the dream theories for TP do this, so I think, artistically, they're unlikely to be "the" explanation.
I think, given the end of Audrey's story, that it is likely that Audrey is in some kind of institution or dream, which muddies the waters a bit further. But I think most of the references to dreams are red herrings on Frost/Lynch's part that allow them to get away with the surrealism and some things not making logical sense.
It could be Cooper's dream, Audrey's dream, or Dick Tremayne's dream; at the end of the day, all the dream theories don't explain anything. The bottom line is that it all is someone's dream - Lynch/Frost's dream - but within that construct, some things are meant to make sense because they are trying to communicate feelings or thoughts about the action we're seeing. In MD there was sense in this because DL wanted us to learn who Diane really was. None of the dream theories for TP do this, so I think, artistically, they're unlikely to be "the" explanation.
Exactly. In MD, and LH it made complete sense and when you look at the bigger picture, you understand the situation.
But in Twin Peaks, there is still a whole world, and a mythos of this universe. Plenty of characters, and plenty of room for side stories exist. Everything being a dream of someone, or several others collective dream would make it very cheap, and I strongly believe this is not the case.
Even though some things suggest of a dream sequence, everything is as real as it gets. And making everything real makes it a lot more interesting, mysterious, and beautiful.
. . . Sorry dude, you've entered Fan Fiction territory
Be respectfull to members who try to come up with new theories. If you don't buy that theory that's fine, don't react with 'Fan Fiction' unless you come with plotholes that proofs the theory is wrong. It would also be nice to make a new topic with your theory, i'm curious if you are so smart as you're pretending.
Wow. Just a quick note to say that of all the theories I've read since the season ended, yours is by far the most curious.
Audrey is important in my opinion else they wouldn't have created those strange scenes with her and Charlie, or have ber referencing people by name - names of which do not coincide with what's going on in twin peaks.
So I like your theory a lot. Like all the theories, I am skeptical because for now there is no way of verifying any of them. But I like your thinking and applaud you for your findings!!
Ps - ignore WowBobWow. You'll learn like the rest of us to just filter away his passive aggressive posts 😉
Nicely thought out. The part that confuses me the most is that you think Cooper is part of her delusion but you hang on to Charlie being real? Am I understanding that correctly?
Nicely thought out. The part that confuses me the most is that you think Cooper is part of her delusion but you hang on to Charlie being real? Am I understanding that correctly?
I thought only the fireman was real 😉
Nicely thought out. The part that confuses me the most is that you think Cooper is part of her delusion but you hang on to Charlie being real? Am I understanding that correctly?
I thought only the fireman was real 😉
The Fireman IS real. But is he the only one?
Interesting. I especially like the shock treatment aspect because it fits in with Lynch's use of electricity in S3.
I like this. I am still leaning more towards Cooper being the dreamer, but it may be a shared dream as in the collective unconscious. A lot of people here are not able to accept that what we saw was mainly a dream. I think even if David Lynch himself came out and said it was all a dream, people would still not believe him or just think it's a red herring.
. . . Sorry dude, you've entered Fan Fiction territory
Be respectfull to members who try to come up with new theories. If you don't buy that theory that's fine, don't react with 'Fan Fiction' unless you come with plotholes that proofs the theory is wrong. It would also be nice to make a new topic with your theory, i'm curious if you are so smart as you're pretending.
Nicely put. I echo that. If anyone does not agree with a particular theory, I think it is perfectly normal and expected to have an intellectual conversation or even a debate, but to dismiss a theory with no rationale just looks like a lazy response. That includes everyone who does not believe that what we saw was a dream. If you don't agree, that's fine, but explain why you do not agree. As far as I am concerned, there is much more evidence indicating these "dream theories" than any of the other non-dream theories.
I was so happy to read this post because I too thought it was Audrey's dream! If you go back to Season 1 (The One Armed Man) there is a scene that takes place between Donna and Audrey in their HS bathroom. They're talking about Laura. Audrey tells Donna that she's been doing some research, that there's no use for algebra. Donna replies by saying that Audrey should run away and "Join the circus." Audrey pauses for a moment and goes, "Escape... I have a better idea.... A tall dark and handsome stranger falls madly in love with me. He takes me away to life of mystery and intentional intrigue!"
Donna stops putting on her lip stick and says," You mean the FBI agent? Dream on." Audrey quickly responds by saying, "Maybe. Or, maybe he'll realize I'm the woman of his dreams because I'm the one who's going to help him find out who killed Laura.
I thought it was interesting that Donna doesn't say "Agent Dale Cooper." She just says FBI Agent. Kind of ambiguous. This is the dialogue that helped me answer Gordon's question of who's dream it is. Cooper then re-enforces this by saying we're all live in someone's dream.
For the most part, I think we're seeing Audrey's dream played out. However, from time to time there are just some bleed overs of other people's dreams. That's why the music pieces are soo important. They help tune you in to who's real story line we're watching.
The only other thing I wanted to add to your theory Assaf Sommer is that in the third to last episode of the final season, there is that split second where Audrey is staring into a mirror saying,"I've gotta get out!" So, I think we're right! She did dream up this whole scenario because she was the one with the mental problems not her brother.
I agree with you. If it is Audrey dream, it should be season 1 and 2 her dreams too. Cooper is very tied to Black Lodge. If old TP was real, and she starts dreaming after explosion in bank...she shouldn't dream about Black Lodge. Anyway how can she even survived this explosion 🙂 The glasses of old man are flying away from the bank. And he don't even get out of there, he is moving very slowly. At most he could reach Audrey place.
And I follow this theory. And I see if Billy is this bleeding one in cell. Who supposed to be Cooper, since Naido is Diane. So Billy = Cooper, her love. And following further, Lynch didn't like what they did when he left show. He didn't like Annie plot. Because Annie plot destroys this one. Coop in love with Annie, thats don't fit Audrey dream. HAHA Maybe that's why when he back, in the end we see this laugh and "How's Annie" 🙂
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