As I recall, Cooper is looking at the odometer and says "430 miles, exactly" so that would seem to rule out time.
I, too, think/presume they were starting from Twin Peaks, but we actually cut from the two meeting at Glastonbury Grove to them driving, so that's not definitive.
Interesting about Los Alamos.
I was hoping to find something of note 430 miles from where they filmed the scene in CA, but so far have come up empty.
ON a hunch, since we seem to be dealing with time and not mileage, I checked all directions at 4 hours and 30 minutes outside of Snoqualmie.
I was not rewarded for my time, but at least now that is exhausted.
I am sticking with desert climate area outside of Boise...
430 from Odessa to Los Alamos is interesting but they clearly didn't start there. My memory is that they left from somewhere in the PAC Northwest, I still believe it to be JRP.
Jack
I think it's entirely possible that they did not leave from the Greater TP area.
And now that we are kind of near the subject, are JR Palace and Glastonbury Grove the same thing? I was under the impression that they were not.
No, they are different spots, but both in, or near, Twin Peaks. The coordinates we were shown seem to be for the spot near JRP, but are also real world coordinates. I think that's why people use them for this, but where we actually saw Coop and Diane seemed to be GG.
No, they are different spots, but both in, or near, Twin Peaks. The coordinates we were shown seem to be for the spot near JRP, but are also real world coordinates. I think that's why people use them for this, but where we actually saw Coop and Diane seemed to be GG.
That's what I thought.
I've wondered why JRP needed to be introduced when we already had GG. Anyone have any theories on that?
That's what I thought.
I've wondered why JRP needed to be introduced when we already had GG. Anyone have any theories on that?
I know some people want to say it is the White Lodge and GG is the Black, but I think it is more complicated than that. They proliferated portals around the world, basically: Buckhorn, Las Vegas, New York, London I guess...
My best guess as to why is from the writing perspective. Cooper's doppelganger clearly wouldn't just hang around Twin Peaks with people who would be able to see that something about him was off. He'd leave, as he did, and go wherever. Further, having the Good Cooper exit the Lodge and just pop right back into Twin Peaks would have been narratively too straightforward. So, we get all of this other stuff, and other locations.
I think it works. I know some on here were complaining about how little of the new stuff is actually in Twin Peaks, but I thought it was an interesting way to expand the stakes.
No, they are different spots, but both in, or near, Twin Peaks. The coordinates we were shown seem to be for the spot near JRP, but are also real world coordinates. I think that's why people use them for this, but where we actually saw Coop and Diane seemed to be GG.
That's what I thought.
I've wondered why JRP needed to be introduced when we already had GG. Anyone have any theories on that?
Actually I do, loosely based on my opinion and things I have read here.
1. Why would Mr.C be looking for coordinates to something he knows? HE left the Red Room and ended up in Glastonberry Grove so getting back to it shouldn't be that difficult.
2. Why even have a Jackrabbits palace and the coordinates to get to it? Because it leads to the Fireman. The Fireman controls something completely different than the people and things in the red room. Glastonberry Grove is where you exit the Red Room, shown on several occasions.
It is a maze wrapped inside a conundrum, twirled by a vortex to a meaning that we will never really understand. As in, where did those woodsmen come from in South Dakota?
No, they are different spots, but both in, or near, Twin Peaks. The coordinates we were shown seem to be for the spot near JRP, but are also real world coordinates. I think that's why people use them for this, but where we actually saw Coop and Diane seemed to be GG.
That's what I thought.
I've wondered why JRP needed to be introduced when we already had GG. Anyone have any theories on that?
Actually I do, loosely based on my opinion and things I have read here.
1. Why would Mr.C be looking for coordinates to something he knows? HE left the Red Room and ended up in Glastonberry Grove so getting back to it shouldn't be that difficult.
2. Why even have a Jackrabbits palace and the coordinates to get to it? Because it leads to the Fireman. The Fireman controls something completely different than the people and things in the red room. Glastonberry Grove is where you exit the Red Room, shown on several occasions.
It is a maze wrapped inside a conundrum, twirled by a vortex to a meaning that we will never really understand. As in, where did those woodsmen come from in South Dakota?
The Woodsmen? Oh, they're just locals. Haven't you ever been to SD? ? ?
But yes, it makes sense that Mr. C wouldn't need the coordinates to somewhere he already came from. And yes, the whole black vs. white lodge, it also makes sense that they would have different doors.
Thanks for the input/insight Jack & Caemeron.
Yes, I think JRP was the portal to the fireman and Briggs took Bobby there as a kid so he would be able to find it later.
GG is entry and exit to red room.
Woodsman in Buckhorn used the portal that Gordon saw above where Briggs body was found.
I think Dianne drove to GG to pick up Coop and they drove 430 miles from there.
One thing I do find strange: when they get to the crossing point and Coop gets out the car to check tje atmosphere, he checks his watch in what looks quite a purposeful manner to me. Was the time of crossing equally relevent as the distance?
I don't remember if this theory was on this forum or on Reddit.
A guy said that it was the same place where Cooper stopped under the electric poles and where Mr C. was driving.
The theory was that Cooper was watching Mr C. from the electric wires / red room.
Mr C. is looking at his watch when he is just under the red curtains (and why is he looking at his watch, there is a clock on the Lincoln dashboard ?)
On forst viewing of S3 I thought Mr Cs car crashed at the same place where Coop and Dianes 430 miles scene was, terrain looks similar, but no OWLS.
On forst viewing of S3 I thought Mr Cs car crashed at the same place where Coop and Dianes 430 miles scene was, terrain looks similar, but no OWLS.
It also doesn't quite make sense for Mr. c to be in Western Montana.
So... how then does Coop slowly, slowly creep the odometer up to what we might suppose is 430 miles if he began somewhere on a footpath in the forest? Sure, he could've done the math, subtracted the 2.718 miles from JRP (or GG) to get to his car, but doesn't that seem fishy? did he have a surveyer's wheel to get the exact footage to the vehicle? Either we don't sweat the details, or they must have started counting from somewhere more measurable. I mean, it sure looked like he tried to stick the landing to within 10 feet or so.
So... how then does Coop slowly, slowly creep the odometer up to what we might suppose is 430 miles if he began somewhere on a footpath in the forest? Sure, he could've done the math, subtracted the 2.718 miles from JRP (or GG) to get to his car, but doesn't that seem fishy? did he have a surveyer's wheel to get the exact footage to the vehicle? Either we don't sweat the details, or they must have started counting from somewhere more measurable. I mean, it sure looked like he tried to stick the landing to within 10 feet or so.
But didn't Windom Earle drive Pete's truck right up to the grove at the end of season 2? Or am I remembering that wrong?
Fire walk with