Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
Went back and looked again at the Jeffries scenes in FWWM and The Missing Pieces. Here's what is established definitively about Judy:
- Female
- "We're not gonna talk about her", etc.
- She was "positive" about something (doesn't say what)
- Jeffries "found something" in her home in Seattle
- She's evidently a "young woman" in 1987 Buenos Aires
We now know that Cooper (or Dopplecoop) already knows Judy, he just doesn't realize she's Judy. So who could that be?
Conventional wisdom indicates possibilities like Sarah Palmer, Naido, Audrey Horne, etc.
Sarah makes no sense in relation to the above as she was already middle-aged, married to Leland, and mother to Laura in 1987.
Audrey makes no sense as she would've been like a 15-year-old sophomore in high school.
Naido makes some sense, but we don't know anything about her and can't even definitively say she's human at this point. Even more troubling, would Dopplecoop even be aware of her existence? And would Jeffries be aware that Cooper had met her in the Mauve zone? Seems like a stretch.
So who else? The RR diner waitresses? Laura Palmer? Nah, can't see them being 1987 global women of extra-dimensional (or whatever) intrigue.
So that leaves us with one possibility in my mind. A possibility that was expressly trounced prior to the premier of the Return when it was confirmed that the actress in question was NOT part of the cast.
Joise has to be Judy. There's just no other way around it.
She was young enough, mysterious enough, globally connected, Seattle connected, and she's one of the few characters in the town proper to directly interact with lodge entities when she becomes drawer-knob Josie.
Maybe the actress herself isn't there, any other explanation and those bits from The Missing Pieces don't really make any sense.
Judy might have something to do with the ringing noise, too. That would suggest she too is working to restore the balance...
You missed out Diane from the list 🙂
But I like the idea that Josie could be Judy.
The only thing I would say was that in the original series, Josie wasn't a particularly special or gifted character. She certainly didn't seem to suggest having any knowledge of portals. Maybe Josie (whilst trapped in doorknob) communicated to the blue rose task force through time or some such.
I dunno. I have no idea. Really!
Jeffries, in the Philadelphia scene, also says 'I've been to one of their meetings. They live above a convenience store'. So how did HE end up in the Black Lodge? Was it via one of his own dreams? Or was there a vortex ('at Judy's'?), like the one Gordon Cole (and Hastings/Davenport) experienced? Jeffries clearly had a 'time-lag' in the FBI HQ, thinking it was May (1988? 1989?) when it was February (1989). Like Major Briggs has trouble staying in our timezone...
Or did Chet Desmond, by picking up the ring in the Fat Trout Trailer Park, 'switch' with Jeffries?
Or could Jeffries have found at Judy/Josie's one (other?) green teleportation ring, the Owl Cave symbol one? As 'The Secret History' recounts Josie suddenly and quickly dissappeard (unseen?) from HongKong. (Did Josie have a Buenos Aires connection?)
So many questions...
Naido makes sense. The fact that DoppelCoop didn't met her doesn't matter, it actually does match the fact that Phillip Jeffries is confused about the identity of Cooper. He may not be aware about existence of doppelganger.
Well, we wait and see.
There was an early draft where Robert Engels confirmed that Josie had a sister named Judy.
Since that was a BTS it doesn't stand now but its still interesting to think about.
Fabulous post. Let us not forget that she could be Garland. Not x2 Coops blue-rose-head Garland, but the lassie that's somewhere over the rainbow.
Naido makes sense. The fact that DoppelCoop didn't met her doesn't matter, it actually does match the fact that Phillip Jeffries is confused about the identity of Cooper. He may not be aware about existence of doppelganger.
Well, we wait and see.
I'm not so sure. Jeffries would have to be definitively aware that Cooper (or DoppleCoop) and Naido had met. To our knowledge we have nothing that confirms Jeffries would know about this.
Of course, that's if Jeffries wasn't simply being coy with "Cooper" in their teapot meeting. He may simply have been trying to trick "Cooper" (or who he thinks may be Cooper) into visiting the electro-shock stone that Richard winds up setting off. In which case everything he says about Judy may be a lie.
I keep thinking Judy is the girl from 1956 because it is in black and white and she falls asleep similar to The Wizard of Oz. That would mean that Sarah Palmer was Judy and after what happened in the Elk's bar I am more convinced that the girl from 1956 is Sarah Palmer with that moth bug inside her. Moth plus er equals mother. Mother of Laura Palmer.
I've been assuming that Jeffries got and put on the Owl ring. Albert never touched it, so he's the only one left.
Jeffries, in the Philadelphia scene, also says 'I've been to one of their meetings. They live above a convenience store'. So how did HE end up in the Black Lodge? Was it via one of his own dreams? Or was there a vortex ('at Judy's'?), like the one Gordon Cole (and Hastings/Davenport) experienced? Jeffries clearly had a 'time-lag' in the FBI HQ, thinking it was May (1988? 1989?) when it was February (1989). Like Major Briggs has trouble staying in our timezone...
Or did Chet Desmond, by picking up the ring in the Fat Trout Trailer Park, 'switch' with Jeffries?
Or could Jeffries have found at Judy/Josie's one (other?) green teleportation ring, the Owl Cave symbol one? As 'The Secret History' recounts Josie suddenly and quickly dissappeard (unseen?) from HongKong. (Did Josie have a Buenos Aires connection?)
So many questions...
That's interesting that Josie appeared and disappeared like that.
Related tangentially, I read somewhere that the actress who played Josie wanted to come back and do the Return but Lynch told her they couldn't find a way to fit her into the story properly. He claimed to have tried hard. It seems a little strange in general, but even stranger if they end up making her Judy or an important tie to Judy. But idk...we'll see.
Went back and looked again at the Jeffries scenes in FWWM and The Missing Pieces. Here's what is established definitively about Judy:
- Female
- "We're not gonna talk about her", etc.
- She was "positive" about something (doesn't say what)
- Jeffries "found something" in her home in Seattle
- She's evidently a "young woman" in 1987 Buenos Aires
We now know that Cooper (or Dopplecoop) already knows Judy, he just doesn't realize she's Judy. So who could that be?
Conventional wisdom indicates possibilities like Sarah Palmer, Naido, Audrey Horne, etc.
Sarah makes no sense in relation to the above as she was already middle-aged, married to Leland, and mother to Laura in 1987.
Audrey makes no sense as she would've been like a 15-year-old sophomore in high school.
Naido makes some sense, but we don't know anything about her and can't even definitively say she's human at this point. Even more troubling, would Dopplecoop even be aware of her existence? And would Jeffries be aware that Cooper had met her in the Mauve zone? Seems like a stretch.
So who else? The RR diner waitresses? Laura Palmer? Nah, can't see them being 1987 global women of extra-dimensional (or whatever) intrigue.
So that leaves us with one possibility in my mind. A possibility that was expressly trounced prior to the premier of the Return when it was confirmed that the actress in question was NOT part of the cast.
Joise has to be Judy. There's just no other way around it.
She was young enough, mysterious enough, globally connected, Seattle connected, and she's one of the few characters in the town proper to directly interact with lodge entities when she becomes drawer-knob Josie.
Maybe the actress herself isn't there, any other explanation and those bits from The Missing Pieces don't really make any sense.
Hi dawg,
And don't forget Joan Chen's letter to David Lynch. =:-O
(I'm going to miss speculating about future possibilities. The wave functions are collapsing...) 😐
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I don't think it's confirmed that Judy is female based on Buenos Aires. The clerk merely stated the letter was delivered by a female, but we have no idea if that person is Judy. Could simply have been a messenger or someone Jeffries and Judy were both associated with.
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