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Could he be traveling somewhere though? Just as Hastings did? I find it hard to believe that Coop went to these exact coordinates just to kill his son that he previously didn't have with him. He was already looking for that place well before Richard was with him.
Hi Katie,
Mr. C: "Goodbye, Son." 😐
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Richard isn't a doppel, so he shouldn't have 'gone' anywhere. Except into the air as vaporized particles. Bye Richard.
What did DoppelCoop say to Richard before he went up to the rock with the tracker? Something like "You'll be seeing her again in 25 years" (?). It didn't make much sense but maybe i misheard...
What did DoppelCoop say to Richard before he went up to the rock with the tracker? Something like "You'll be seeing her again in 25 years" (?). It didn't make much sense but maybe i misheard...
I'm 25 years your senior.
You can never say anything for sure with Peaks, but I think the 'goodbye, son.' from Bad Coop suggests Richard is dead.
If he'd gone to another place, knowing Bad Coop's ability to travel about, he'd likely run into him again at some point, so the goodbye seems quite final.
If Richard is gone why did the fireman tell Cooper his importance?
Maybe both Richard and Linda are "bad seeds" that must be dealt with, or maybe Linda is Richard's opposite, somehow.
He exploded and bits of him fell on the rock. He's dead.
Yeah, but there is plenty here to indicate that the lodges/void/reality 'out of whack' is in play here and that it may not be simply an 'organic death', whether that means his 'spirit' is in the lodges/red room, or he is not actually dead, but only the 'manufactured tulpa' is now dead. First, Richard was killed at lodge coordinates, somewhere that reality breaks down, where natural laws are suspended(meaning that it might just be symbolic of some trauma, being betrayed by his father, rather than physical death which spells the end of existence for that individual); and this would be much like how Diane disappeared after being shot, which can easily resonate with Richard's internal lack, as a 'dreamer that does not exist', someone that dreams of something that is lacking in natural reality, much like Andy's dream vision which allows. And if this is the case, Richard could be back, just like Andy came back from the void; since ordinarily being physically removed from existence into a vortex would kill a person....maybe it is just that Richard's vortex is more painful than Andy's because of the life he has lived, the problems he faces there, etc...
Richard was killed by electricity and fire, the same force that ordinarily would have killed Cooper or kept him in a coma, but with the intervention of the lodges/his own lacking etc., it became a shock which allowed Agent Cooper proper to emerge. Also, Richard's head was shown as the body was gone, just as major briggs head was disconnected from his body and floating through space. Further, there were sparks of yellow fire that came out when the head disappeared, much like the yellow fire that ascended to the sky after the boy was killed accidentally by Richard when he jumped the traffic jam and was in that state of traumatic humiliation....Furthermore, that yellow fire served as the impetus for Carl Rodd to begin his just community in the trailer park, whereas right before that scene, Carl and Mickey were complaining about the government and how they are not taking care of Linda, who was crippled and stuck, with no fair way out provided by the powers controlling the world and diverting the resources to other places, namely billionaires, gangsters, small ruling clique, Mr. C, etc. So here is Richard and Linda connection: Ben Horne was talking about how Richard never had a father, and apparently his mother Audrey was on something similar to Diane and being abusive, drunken and promiscuous. Richard and Linda were both essentially 'pushed out' of society in order for the 'way of the world' to exist as it is(funneling money to top cliques so Linda remains unable to work and unable to live in dignity, while Richard, like Sarah Palmer was denied a dignified life because of the ways of enjoyment which are allowed by the world, which led to the destruction of the Palmer family with the community and law watching on without even noting it); and if there are truck drivers, there is a Sarah Palmer, if there is Mr. C'/billionaires rape and taking profit/enjoyment through even brutality and rape, then we have Audrey, Richard, Linda, etc. With the law and authorities unable to maintain a situation that would guarantee any kind of dignified life for these people, Richard knew that 'the sheriff is like 90 years old', that the town cannot take care of crime, or any basic thing in the world, that it is easy to 'get one over on them'.....and he even originally wanted to kill Mr. C, the 'well dressed man' for doing just this to Audrey, apparently raping her and abandoning her like he did to Diane....starting all of the problems that were shaping up in his life to this point.....
Its not that Richard, Diane(also disturbing here because she was switching like Audrey between 'evil tulpa' and Diane that wanted to go back to her original dreams, then killed), and Audrey are not guilty for the wrong stuff they did and their stance in regards to these problems, but its just that the world is guilty as well, that it is as weak as they are, cut by vortexes, pockets of quantum instability which make it fundamentally unable to provide a nature or life worthy of human dignity and freedom, and furthermore this implicates the authorities and managers of the world as fundamentally incapable of dealing with the problems, since there is no lodge, nature or spirit that takes care of the world outside of what human do in reaction to it, since it is split, unstable, violent, and incapable on its own of maintaining justice and freedom, which exist only as non-existent dreams/dreamers in people who have problems with the tyranny of nature, its blind wrath and force which kills mercilessly without regard for human dignity. For instance, Richard is bad for sure and guilty, but his badness implicates the world in which Mr. C/billionaires are the ruling authority(Mr. C as his father figure, leading him into catastrophe, just as Dougie was led to Rancho Rosa by trying to copy Lucky 7, Mitchums, etc.), where Red a drug dealer ruining twin peaks and allowing the 'Laura tragedy' to repeat countless times, etc. is celebrated as neighborhood hero, throwing Bobby out, etc.
Dougie/Cooper is just as guilty as Richard, if Cooper 'is the FBI', then the failures of the ruling authorities, the failure of Cooper and the world as it is implemented by the authorities systematically create Dianes, Richards, etc....and hold them there with no way out. The guilt of Richard is that he is too trusting of the world, as he was with Mr. C, but he is smart enough to know how corrupted it is then is simply trying to emulate the 'way of the world'(and this is what they are guilty for, unlike Carl Rodd who saw the flame of the boy and began his work at the trailer park, making something that doesnt exist, exist, the genuine and just community, etc.), the message they are getting from 'how people are supposed to be'(celebrating 'animal life', tyranny, force over law, freedom, etc.) from the world, but because of their lack of force and power, they end up getting killed, or end up in rancho rosa systematically, because Mitchums types are running the world, making things like that to collect millions, then handing out some charity here and there to make themselves feel good and get people on their side. Jerry Horne is right here to be disturbed by what he saw in Richard's death, he has emerged from the woods as a changed person after he screamed 'you cannot trick me, Ive been here before' to mother nature, disobeying the world in its inability to be fair or do justice to his genuine dreams, right after the Dougie/Janey E sex scene, he does not trust nature and the world, is defying it, looking for something better, sees something wrong in what is happening, that 'bad guys and good guys' 'are not what they seem', that who might appear good is easily sometimes bad(ex. how Red appears to Shelly).... Richard had this potential coming back in flashes here and there(trying to kill Cooper for what he did, knowing the sheriff/authorities are missing something in the world, etc.), just like Diane when she was wanting to work with the blue rose force(lets rock) or when she wanted to bring Mr. C to justice.
And this potential is what is lacking in the authorities in Twin Peaks, their weakness at Laura's funeral to identify the problems that led to her downfall which Bobby called them out on, and which they violently ignorded, damning their community for the next 25 years. The same thing is being done here with Richard, bad guy gone, we can go back to rancho rosa, Jade and the Mitchums, and somehow everything is going to work out fine, biggest irrational, false, and evil approach, same thing that destroyed Laura continues...but Jerry is onto it at least, same with Carl Rodd. The problem with Cooper who said 'I am the FBI', Cooper himself is one of the biggest criminals here, creating and enjoying the world that systematically creates these situations as a life for people....Cooper's giving up of the ring may indicate that he has given up on his quest to find a just community, the ring is given by an authority figure(ex. Mr. C) who imposes some kind of order(tyranny, freedom, etc.) onto the world, and this is Cooper's duty, to provide a just and free world, not just endorse whatever is there, what is easy and makes him feel good so he can drink his coffee in peace, if he wants to do that, he should be nowhere near authority, but just some ordinary guy without that kind of duty or responsibility. The biggest evil is just endorsing what exists/nature/state of things, hiding over the injustices and making everything look good without solving the problems, since the state of things is rationally torn apart, and this has to be taken into account, or the world without 'the dreamer who does not exist, but is there dreaming nonetheless' will then slowly decay into merely factual natural cycles of slow decay(sleepwalking for 25 years) and violent outbursts of wrath(Mr. C, etc.), like mother nature and the deep forest itself. Cooper is just alright with the world no matter what, endorsing criminal organizations, so he can drink his coffee and eat his pie...he just wants to 'find' a community given, rather than engaging in the hard work of maintaining and shaping the just community according to rationality, freedom, law, etc....exactly what his duty as an FBI agent is....something he is violating and the same reason why he turned into evil BOB, and could easily do again, from the looks of it.....Cooper, and those like him are the biggest criminals here so far, thats why he turned evil at the end of season 2, fundamentally failing in his duty to uphold just conditions of existence in the world, and just enjoying with it....maintaining injustice and tyranny because it feels right.....Cooper is going down, again, from the looks of it, unless something really wakes him up again.....he will be 'with' BOB again soon, and seems like as of now he does definitely want to be with BOB again, just run wild in the world as it is, turning it into his pie and coffee convenience store, rather than doing the hard work that is his duty and creating a just and free state, community, etc.....
I guess Richard is done with life as he knew it, but I think he might still have a role to play in the final hours...
Was anybody else reminded of the way Philipp Jeffreys was "teleported" in and out of Buenos Aires in FWWM? With smoke, energy, and horror? The effects in FWWM were probably less sparkly than in this scene, but I got the same kind of vibes off of it.
Fire walk with 
