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Do you think it's safe to say that wherever Jeffries is/isn't, is where Briggs was trying to go before he lost his head?
I don't know about that.
Wherever Jeffries is at, it would seem to be a dark, dark place. Guarded by Woodsmen and under lock & key of the Bosomy Woman. It didn't give me a very nice vibe.
I think that Briggs was trying to reach a better, brighter place.
Sorry, nothing mysterious, just literally I think it's best to watch the scene again - what you describe isn't what happened.
Not worth much... it's like another thread where several people were discussing why Audrey said 'where am I'? when she was staring herself in the mirror. It never happened.
Before chasing 'clarity' (putting aside whether that's even possible or a worthy pursuit) I think it's important to have an accurate handle on a scene (what was said, what happened and in what order), that's all.
Who wrote the coordinates on Ruth Davenport's arm?
You're right we don't know much about Jeffries and I'm afraid we won't know much more after Sunday. I feel this season is about Cooper stopping Bob and reuniting with his shadow self. While following Cooper's journey we also have discovered that Bob is only part of a much bigger story. Now come October "The Final Dossier" comes out. I believe that is where you will find most of your answers. I have a feeling that book will be about Blue Rose cases, which should tell us more about Jefferies, Buenos Aires, the experiment, etc.
Also I have noticed this season that Al Strobel has been credited as Phillip Gerard, not Mike. If you remember Gerard was Mike's host, which has had me thinking that maybe we haven't seen Mike this season. If Gerard died at some point in the last 25 years, he may now be a lodge entity. Mike may have found a new host and that maybe who contact Mr. C in the hotel room in episode 2. But honestly, I'm just guessing like everyone else. I'm sure come Sunday Lynch/Frost will slap me in the face again, and ask me why I didn't see the obvious.
Now THAT is interesting. We have called him Mike without paying enough attention to the credits and what that could imply.
Do you think it's safe to say that wherever Jeffries is/isn't, is where Briggs was trying to go before he lost his head?
This may be a bit tangential, but we have to remember that the military found Briggs fingerprints 16 times in 25 years in the real world after he was supposed to have died in a fire. So some version of Briggs was on the earth. Maybe that creature was contacting Bad Coop.
OK, that's true. I guess I feel like he was successfully traversing dimensions in the past--Fire Walk--but is now maybe trapped.
Sorry, nothing mysterious, just literally I think it's best to watch the scene again - what you describe isn't what happened.
Er, ok...
Well, I'll watch it yet again, but feel like I captured the scene pretty well.
Can anyone please provide some clarity as to Phillip Jeffries' role (if any) in The Return? I am wanting to pin this down, as I feel like it might be a part of the finale Sunday night. Then again, it could have dead-ended with the tea kettle scene. I'm really confused at this point (and have watched the tea kettle scene from Part 15 four times now).
Some of this confusion is also down to the whole coordinates thing we heard about in Part 16.
So... what I want to know is: Was it or was it not Phillip Jeffries that Mr. C was speaking with in Part 2 (in the motel room)? When Mr. C asks about that conversation, Jeffries responds, "I don't have your number." Now, that could a no, but it is also not a direct answer to the question. So.... what do you think?
Next, Mr. C asks about Jeffries possibly working with Ray to do him in. Jeffries responds that Ray called him. Again, that is not a direct answer to the question at hand, though it could also be implied that Jeffries is saying, 'Look, man. I was just minding my own business and this Ray fella called me about having shot you.' Either way, there is an acknowledgement there that they (Ray & Jeffries) did communicate, so that scene in Part 8 was likely really Jeffries. Right? Or do I have that wrong?
Finally, given the ambiguity surrounding the phone calls and Jeffries' intent, do we think that it was the coordinates from both the Jeffries tea kettle and Ray that led to the rock and electrocution trap? Or no? Or are the phone calls (and Jeffries' response to Mr. C about them) not ambiguous? And, if it was indeed Jeffries and Ray who provided Mr. C with the bad coordinates, why is Jeffries so intent on getting rid of bad Coop? We actually don't know a whole lot about Phillip Jeffries to begin with, so his character is bit of an unknown quantity at this point.
So, please, if anyone can provide their reasoned take on all this, some clarify, if you will, that would be much appreciated!
That's what I wrote at the top of this thread.
Here is the dialogue from the actual scene:
Jeffries: "Oh, it's you."
Mr. C: "Jeffries."
Jeffries: (couldn't understand if he "Thank God" or "By God" or something else)
Mr. C: "Why did you send Ray to kill me?"
Jeffries: "What? I called Ray."
Mr. C: "So you did send him."
Mr. C: "Did you call me five days ago?"
Jeffries: "I don't have your number."
Mr. C: "So it was someone else who called me?"
Jeffries: "We used to talk."
Mr. C: "Yes, we did."
[insertion of clip from FWWM]
Mr. C: "1989. You showed up at FBI headquarters in Philadelphia, and said you'd met Judy."
Jeffries: "So, you are Cooper."
Mr. C: "Phillip, why didn't you want to talk about Judy? Who is Judy? Does Judy want something from me?"
Jeffries: "Why don't you ask Judy yourself? Let me write it down for ya."
[coordinates are spewed into the air from the Jeffries teapot]
Mr. C: "Who is Judy?"
Jeffries: "You've already met Judy."
Mr. C: "What do you mean I've met Judy?"
[phone rings]
Mr. C: "Who is Judy? WHO IS JUDY?!"
[phone continues to ring as the curtain closes, dialogue for the scene has ended]
So, it looks like I got Jeffries' dialogue wrong about Ray. I wrote that he responded that Ray called him, when in fact he responded that he called Ray. Other than that, it looks like I got the scene correctly, including the Jefferies' evasive non-direct answers.
I believe we have been told that the Final Dossier is more about the intervening years in Twin Peaks--what the Secret History was originally supposed to be about.
"A recent synopsis posted to the pre-order page on Amazon says Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier will reveal “what happened to key characters in the twenty-five years in between the events of the first series and the second.”"
from: http://ew.com/books/2017/05/19/mark-frost-new-twin-peaks-book-halloween/
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