I've been thinking a lot about this recently - one thing, in particular, is scenes that are verbatim repeated or ones that seem ... similar but just a little off. One that I noticed during the last episode is Chantal and Hutch in the van - in one scene they are talking and she puts her leg up on his and they have a conversation. Later in the episode, we see the same thing happen (physically - like, she puts her leg up, he puts his arm over it) but the conversation is different.
I think (maybe) one thing that is going on here is a loop of some sort. So, maybe, what we're seeing in some of these scenes that are being repeated but slightly different is another iteration of events in the loop (e.g., the cafe scene where all the extras change). Sometimes, when verbatim, it's just that in loop a v loop b, these events are exactly the same.
This would explain, like, when Cole/Albert "start to remember" the dream/Jeffries visiting the FBI, etc. - it's a memory of a prior loop.
"Time and Time Again"
It's a good explanation and I'm not discounting it but consider how many gestures a person or couple may repeat over the course of a day, especially when they're in a confined space.
I have a feeling that once Mr C (and possibly Bob) is annihilated that there's going to be some kind of alternate/parallel history/dimension that becomes actual.
That's my gut feeling as well. Given how easily certain characters have been killed, I could almost see Mr. C/Bob being vanquished quickly and then the more important threat becomes clear. We may be left with an understanding of that threat, but no time in The Return to address it. I still think there is a good chance the scene with Fireman and Cooper is repeated as the final scene in ep18 and we will never know what those clues refer to - only that Cooper is "on the case".
I have a feeling that once Mr C (and possibly Bob) is annihilated that there's going to be some kind of alternate/parallel history/dimension that becomes actual.
That's my gut feeling as well. Given how easily certain characters have been killed, I could almost see Mr. C/Bob being vanquished quickly and then the more important threat becomes clear. We may be left with an understanding of that threat, but no time in The Return to address it. I still think there is a good chance the scene with Fireman and Cooper is repeated as the final scene in ep18 and we will never know what those clues refer to - only that Cooper is "on the case".
Right...like Richard and Linda. Richard *Horne* doesn't seem to be an important part of the conclusion, unless something else is revealed. Mr. C certainly seems to think he's dead or gone for good.
In a way, I think ending with Cooper 'on the case' would be just about perfect. That's where he belongs...out there hunting down weirdness and protecting us from it.
I figured they probably noticed them in post production and said "oh well, let them make blog posts about the time on someone's phone!"
This. LOL
This is going to be an unpopular view. I'm writing this after hours from my South Dakota hotel bar.
The continuity errors have been indiscriminate, they haven't increased over time, they haven't become increasingly more apparent or had any rhythm in the way they would have if there was any intent behind them. There have been no errors acknowledged in any was by the story.
When I watch FWWM or Inland Empire I don't find myself or anyone else needing to make excuses or make up reasons for stuff in order to explain why it's good.
A can't keep telling myself that everything that is clearly 'wrong' with the show is actually an intentional cleverly conceived break with conventions and expectations because with 2 hours left, the value of that is still not clear.
*lights a cigarette, orders another drink
I think because it is an 18 hour programme and each episode is on every week each episode is dissected more and looked at and so everybody spots the mistakes more. I don't think the mistakes are intentional and are just mistakes that are made when filming a series. The continuity errors I don't like are the ones when you change the past story to fit in with the current series such as the diary pages being found in the sheriff's department with Annie's announcement to Laura in Fire Walk With Me when the pages were ripped out of the diary before this encounter happened and the diary was already in the possession of Harold. To me that was altered just so the sheriff department can know that there are 2 Coopers but I think they could have done it without changing the actual events that have happened in the past. The rest of the continuity errors are just mistakes that any show or film as.
I personally think SOME of the "errors" are not errors at all. They may be discrepancies purposefully placed or oddities with some other or even higher meaning.
Some of the errors I do think are just errors and that yes, Lynch & Frost left them there to "mess" with us or for reasons already stated by my fellow TP comrades. 🙂
I'm going to say (based on nothing but pure assumption), that 95% of all continuity errors in the Return were added on purpose.
There are always minor errors. Always.
I'm going to say (based on nothing but pure assumption), that 95% of all continuity errors in the Return were added on purpose.
There are always minor errors. Always.
Apart from when there aren't. 😉
Personally I don't think the continuity issues matter, whether they're intentional or not.
I've been thinking a lot about this recently - one thing, in particular, is scenes that are verbatim repeated or ones that seem ... similar but just a little off. One that I noticed during the last episode is Chantal and Hutch in the van - in one scene they are talking and she puts her leg up on his and they have a conversation. Later in the episode, we see the same thing happen (physically - like, she puts her leg up, he puts his arm over it) but the conversation is different.
I think (maybe) one thing that is going on here is a loop of some sort. So, maybe, what we're seeing in some of these scenes that are being repeated but slightly different is another iteration of events in the loop (e.g., the cafe scene where all the extras change). Sometimes, when verbatim, it's just that in loop a v loop b, these events are exactly the same.
This would explain, like, when Cole/Albert "start to remember" the dream/Jeffries visiting the FBI, etc. - it's a memory of a prior loop.
"Time and Time Again"
It's a good explanation and I'm not discounting it but consider how many gestures a person or couple may repeat over the course of a day, especially when they're in a confined space.
Yeah, totally - I mean part of what makes this all so awesome is that I know I'm kind of grasping at straws here, and this explanation has, like, about the same % possibility as many others of being true. . . it's nice stuff to think about as a break from sitting at a desk and doing, essentially, the same things at work over and OH MY GOD IT'S HAPPENING TO ME NOW
PS: more seriously on that repeated gestures thing - I like that thought - taking this outside of the "puzzle" aspect of the show, it's an interesting comment on how we often live our lives - doing a lot of the same things over and over, following the same behavioral patterns, etc.
It would be easier to dismiss the discrepancies on the show as mistakes...if there weren't so many discrepancies in the Secret History book. That tells me that the vast majority of these so-called 'errors' are intentional, though who knows if we will ever comprehend what the intention is.
I believe the "errors" were mostly put in or at least left in intentionally. Not necessarily because they serve some purpose in the plot or to give the viewer some tricky puzzles.
I think what these slight discrepancies do is contributing to the uncanniness of the scene they occur in. We might subconsciously realize these discrepancies (Ed's reflection, Diane's phone, ...) and get the feeling "Something's wrong!".
Can (for the part-timers like myself) please elaborate on as to what these errors are?
There have been many throughout the 16 episodes. In ep16, there were apparent continuity errors with Diane's phones, the times on the phones and the text messages on them. There is also the apparent error of Tammy being out of frame and then back in frame in a fraction of a second during the Diane shootout.
And her bracelets switch order too!! (I don't think it's continuity error.)
I think it was more like:
"Let's put this in, that'll make the daft buggers take notice."
Good interview in the NY times with Lynch about how all the sounds are important and how sounds have been added post filming. Don't see why visuals won't be the same.
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