Annie mentions the Lodge, not the Black Lodge.
'My name is Annie, and I've been with Laura and Dale. The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
"Excuse us Major Briggs for the intrusion, but Sarah here had a message for you that she thought was important."
"I'm in the black lodge with Dale Cooper."
On a related point....
I've always assumed that Sarah Palmer was channeling someone else's voice when she delivered the "I'm in the Black Lodge with Dale Cooper" line. What if that was the voice of whatever is (has been) possessing her? In the spirit of "Is it future or is it past?", the entity possessing her could have been in the Black Lodge with Dale at any point during the 25 years following that scene in the RR.
If Sarah is the person who called Mr. C, she may not have needed technology to change her voice.
Annie mentions the Lodge, not the Black Lodge.
'My name is Annie, and I've been with Laura and Dale. The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
"Excuse us Major Briggs for the intrusion, but Sarah here had a message for you that she thought was important."
"I'm in the black lodge with Dale Cooper."
My quote was not from Season 2. It was from the film.
Annie mentions the Lodge, not the Black Lodge.
'My name is Annie, and I've been with Laura and Dale. The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
"Excuse us Major Briggs for the intrusion, but Sarah here had a message for you that she thought was important."
"I'm in the black lodge with Dale Cooper."
My quote was not from Season 2. It was from the film.
Gotcha. I was pointing out that Season 2 established that Dale Cooper was in the Black Lodge. There seemed to be a discussion going of whether the waiting room was part of the black lodge or some neutral zone.
Annie mentions the Lodge, not the Black Lodge.
'My name is Annie, and I've been with Laura and Dale. The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
"Excuse us Major Briggs for the intrusion, but Sarah here had a message for you that she thought was important."
"I'm in the black lodge with Dale Cooper."
My quote was not from Season 2. It was from the film.
Gotcha. I was pointing out that Season 2 established that Dale Cooper was in the Black Lodge. There seemed to be a discussion going of whether the waiting room was part of the black lodge or some neutral zone.
I think that you are correct about the Red Room being a part of the Black Lodge. The scene after Sarah speaks to Major Briggs about the Black Lodge features the curtains & zig zagged floor.
If the term Black Lodge was deliberately omitted from Annie's message, it is possible that the Waiting Room is in both the Black & White Lodges.
On a related point....
I've always assumed that Sarah Palmer was channeling someone else's voice when she delivered the "I'm in the Black Lodge with Dale Cooper" line. What if that was the voice of whatever is (has been) possessing her? In the spirit of "Is it future or is it past?", the entity possessing her could have been in the Black Lodge with Dale at any point during the 25 years following that scene in the RR.
If Sarah is the person who called Mr. C, she may not have needed technology to change her voice.
Good point about the entity possessing Sarah. Is it represented by the female statue in the Waiting Room? That is where things went wrong with Agent Cooper at the start of The Return. He approached the statue & the Arm's doppelganger reacted violently to him. If the statue represents the experiment/mother, she has been there since the original Twin Peaks.
Hi Murat,
Do you have the Criterion version of Eraserhead? Even before the main menu appears, there is a message from Lynch and Criterion that HD TVs are often set at the factory to with the contrast and brightness too high or too low.
They recommend adjusting these, and have a application on the disc that allows you to do that for the best picture viewing - especially in black and white.
😉
- /< /\ /> -
Hi Murat,
Do you have the Criterion version of Eraserhead? Even before the main menu appears, there is a message from Lynch and Criterion that HD TVs are often set at the factory to with the contrast and brightness too high or too low.
They recommend adjusting these, and have a application on the disc that allows you to do that for the best picture viewing - especially in black and white.
😉
- /< /\ /> -
I tried this, setting the brightness all the way up on the HD tv(it was only set on 1/2 before that), even though this makes the rest of the Twin Peaks episode looks strange, not right. With the brightness all the way up, you can see more of the forest in the basement and make out the 'control room' behind Jeffries 'teapot machine', you can also see the radiator flashing in and out of the bottom right corner. Nevertheless, the colors and lighting are still off in the entire convenience store scene: on the HD with brightness all the way up, you can see these clues, but they are still somewhat indistinct and lacking in visual impact. On the HD, the entire convenience store scene looks almost devoid of color, and the color that is there seems dimmed down or blunted. Further, even with the brightness all the way up, you cannot see the flashing radiator or the 'control room' as clearly or as defined. Looking at this same scene on an SD, its all right there right away, on normal setting. The colors on the SD are not as blunted, and are visually impressive when interacting with the black and white 'background' of the scene, with the lighting that allows very sharp and distinct visuals. The HD version is more like watching something with only black and white, with minimal variations here and there, and patches of black and shape that you cannot really make out clearly; while the SD, everything that imposes on the scene(flashing radiator, darkened entrance to the control room, trees appearing on the sides of the basement) is clear and distinct from beginning to end of the scene. Really strange here because I have never had trouble with the visuals on that television before
I think the strange 'settings'(lighting and color) here are internal to the production of the scene, made that way intentionally, thus the warning......On the HD, you would have to switch your settings various times when these types of scenes come up...and this has happened before(during Andy's vision and after Janey/E Dougie sex scene), when I first started noticing it, but this was the longest scene where that 'settings' effect has come into play. On the SD/tube television all the settings are great from beginning to end.....
He (she) says "I missed you in NY". So maybe the answear is simple - this is someone who was in New York in the glass box. Who was it? Same person who killed Sam and Tracy.
But who really 'missed' in NY, it was Agent Cooper who arrived at the wrong time, since Sam was letting in Tracy and checking for the guard, thus opening them both up to be killed by the mother/experiment. Mr. C enters to plot with the billionaire, hiring people as bait to lure out the mother/experiment(with sexuality, since it evokes trauma/transcendental(love, pain, 'falling', etc.), Laura's tragedy, etc.) in their attempt to control it there and record it with all those machines, since Mr. C wants to posses this power of red room/lodges/vortex/void/atomic (de)core, etc. as some kind of solid entity, like tyrannical billionaires controlling all digital network, brains, etc, making thought and dreams all part of their programmatic plan for the world, taking the freedom out of it(which is of course underway in real life). If Sam was still up there, Agent Cooper probably could have entered him instead of Dougie and confronted Mr. C right there. Maybe it is Agent Cooper proper that is haunting Mr. C, what Mr. C is trying to avoid, his fatal weakness that will eliminate him. The voice that Mr. C gets from that machine in Darya's hotel room could be Agent Cooper himself, threatening Mr. C with his impending destruction, the return of the dreaming and struggling Cooper in the world. This would destroy Mr. C, since Mr. C is tyrannical regarding the world, he does not admit he needs to follow the dreams that were shattered in Cooper when he found out about Twin Peaks corruption and started laughing about his dreams of 'Annie', return of dreams and struggle.
So Ella first mentioned the voices and when they are credited, this is very important since the voice is credited as the same actor, but appears in multiple places and in different people. We saw the 'voice' appear in Sarah Palmer when she killed the 'Truck You' truck driver at the elks lodge. Sarah was just drinking and avoiding the 'new' orange jerky that is all over the world now and was the illuminating color of the elks lodge, the same jerky/gum that destroyed her family and what she warned those young kids about in the grocery. This jerky/enjoyment is imposed by Mr. C/billionaires in their attempt to 'exist as dreamer', turn the world into their personal 'convenience store' to be drained of money/enjoyment, destroy their dreams, only allowed certain types of 'convenient' factual enjoyment that respect their solid factual reign of tyranny over the world, thus kill Sam and Tracey right away with their own mother/experiment/voice that they impose on the world. Now Sarah is opposed to all of this in the world, that's why she has been drinking at home, so when she returns to engagement with the world, the opposition voice/dream that has been inside her, but what she has been trying to hide from. This voice comes out as if it was an alien force, an answer from somewhere else, the tyranny world getting what it deserves, what it fears etc. from inside Sarah, dreams of Sarah interacting with the world, knowing what the world controlled by billionaires is lacking since it imposed that brutal injustice on the Palmers. Voice of Jeffries is coming from inside the 'black lodge's 'convenience world', thus it is threatening to Mr. C, since it shows the void/vortex that cuts open the world he is desperately trying to possess, all the way down to the mother/experiement, and he will die because 'one cannot possess nothing/freedom as property', just impose chaos and tyranny trying to do it, turn the world into 'convenience store'. Mr. C wants to be the dreamer that exists, but Jeffries voice is tearing him up, showing that his quest just lands him in 'convenience motel' and no one cares about Judy anymore here, thus Mr. C starts getting nervous and demanding to find Judy, at which point he exists the world he creates(motel, rancho rosa) and goes back on his tyrannical quest. Finally, the voice Mr. C heard in Darya's motel room was threatening to him, it is from the world, that Agent Cooper proper is coming back who is no longer the 'dreamer that exists'(ignores the search for justice, dreaming about something better, settle in some perfect place of Twin Peaks). Mr. C is now threatened, he can never possess the mother/experiment, he is just turning the world into chaos for his selfish profit/enjoyment quest at the expense of the world; soon Mr. C will be forced to realize this and die when Agent Cooper proper completes the return. Dougie cannot be the hero, he is just the other side of Mr. C that complements him and helps him rule, just like MIKE/Gerard with his ring is to BOB.
Dougie is manufactured by Gerard/Mike to avoid Mr. C, allow his reign, give it a nice presentation, that it still tries to do 'good', etc., as per the agreement above the convenience store between MIKE's arm and Bob. Gerard accepts Mr. C as leader, following the agreement above the convenience store(Black lodge), then BOB dumps the guilt on Gerard in the intermediary red room, from where Gerard communicates with Dougie/Cooper to enact his cover up for Mr. C reign in the real world, creating the passive world of suburbanite zombies that have no dreams, outside of wishing to be like the tyrannical rulers passively admiring them and 'taking it'(but cannot, since they arent the rulers and their lives/world turned into 'convenience motel' or rancho rosa) and thus offer no challenge to Mr. C. Gerard holds up the golden core/atom, saying 'youve been tricked', but hes been tricked into giving up on the 'one', the core, because he suffered atomic splitting, thinks there is no core, no way to realize dreams, etc., instead of seeing the core/one/centering/dreams as something that does not factually exists, but is something like a 'de centered' core of non-existing dreams, solid and unbreakable, all the more powerful because not factual, struggling and interacting with the world. Gerard handles the ring because he accepts the world as dead, without dreams, etc., like the Mr. C and billionaires, who use only their dreams and reduce the world to their 'convenience store'.
Finally, Albert is credited in this episode(I dont suspect him to be the voice): Albert and Cole are something like less extreme version of Mr. C and Dougie. Albert and Cole complement one another(thus Cole always takes him, as sure as a 'bird flying'), Cole is the dreamer who engages too much in existence, going to extremes engaging in facutal existence that is not worth the dreams, and where struggle proper and skepticism is required(like Dougie, who sees 'jackpots' everywhere and ends up losing his dreams and just controlled by the flow of nature). Albert was confronting Cole with skepticism in his hotel room, and Cole was paying the price for the night before when that window cleaner appeared. Albert goes too far as well, with his healthy skepticism going too far when he humiliated the people of Twin Peaks and when he scoffs at Cole's Monica Belluschi dream, as well as Hastings' dreams of 'drinking mixed drinks on the beach'. Albert found dreams and skepticism working together, everything hitting right, worth the gamble, etc., when he met the 'dark comedy' morgue lady.....But Mr. C is like an Albert gone to a wild extreme, everything is just factual existence to be reduced to a convenience store, kill all the dreams, etc., skepticism gone into murderous 'Chad' levels of cynicism that do not believe in the log and log lady's ability to open mysteries, realize dreams, turn logs into gold fire, burning injustice and cause, etc......since all dreams, justice and rationality(as social 'cause' of action') dictate that the billionaires/Mr. C end up like 'Truck You' or in jail like Chad, where they should be 'enjoying the beautiful day'....since what they are doing to Sam and Tracy in New York, spreading this on the digital network they control, etc....
What is good and bad? These are human terms, these entities are not human and seem to rely on human instinct and emotion to feed. Are we animals upon which they feed and draw power, from our emotional investment in concepts of good and bad, but to them they are but emotions each with a different taste. Are their plans beyond our concepts of good and bad.
"Animal life."
Sorry if this is crude, but if lynch intentionally made the show better to view on an sd tv, f him and his nonsense.
Ive check it again and confirmed it(unless my HD television setting are wildly wrong, even though it always looks fine): On an HD television all that you see is a black space/opening to the right of the teapot/bell, while on an sd/tube television you see clearly an archway/opening and you see the other room back there, its back wall, so there is definitely a room(seems like a control room) directly behind the teapot/bell machine......the real Jeffries could be back there controlling that machine
One more thing, on the sd/tube version of the scene, the lighting is much brighter, less black, more definition in general....and on the bottom right of the Jeffries/machine scene, there is a row of flashing white bars that can be seen very clearly on the tube/sd tv, they seem to be in the same rhythm of Jeffries' voice...although I dont have much more on the import/meaning of this so far
That entire convenience store scene is far better, imo, on an sd/tube tv, looks much much nicer there imo.... Whatever is said about it, its definitely an interesting way to hide a clue, seeing as how only a few people who still have a tube tv that functions would be able to see it...seeing more with less (like Andy with the 'only cheese' sandwich gets taken to the lodge(him and Lucy stuck to the old ways and believe in the log and log lady's ability, unlike the new Chad, and lucy does not know about cell phones, etc., it fits in here); or the approach of airing only one episode a week, which imo is great...
DAMN my OLED tv!!!
My first thought was that the "Jeffries" phone call came from Albert, but I've also considered it could have been Douglas Jones. Maybe he wasn't as clueless as we have assumed.
My first thought was that the "Jeffries" phone call came from Albert, but I've also considered it could have been Douglas Jones. Maybe he wasn't as clueless as we have assumed.
In that call, the person talking said 'missed you in New York', indicating that they were present during the time Agent Cooper tried to inhabit Sam and the subsequent murder; and this is the very same spot, but close in time to where Mr. C was present and thus missed, when he was captured on camera dealing with the billionaire. Further, this 'voice' also mentioned Major Briggs. At this point in the story, Albert knew little to nothing about the New York incident, and I have not seen many clues to indicate that he was hiding something this big; and the closest he has come to 'entering the lodge' territory was probably the 'singing in the rain' scene, or the dinner with the morgue lady. Furthermore, Albert, Cole, and Tammy did not know about Major Briggs reappearing at this point, they were still just going to check on Cooper at the prison....and it was not until the plane ride back to Philadelphia when they were informed about the Major's body in Buckhorn.
I guess its still possible that it could have been Albert all along and that he was hiding it all the time, but I am right now leaning towards Agent Cooper as being that voice, since Agent Cooper proper returning is going to be the death of Mr. C, whose existence hinges on crushing the failed dreams that sustained the old Agent Cooper's existence(Hows Annie? Hows Annie? hahahah). Furthermore, Agent Cooper was at the New York scene and 'just missed' being incarnated there, had to go to the purple room and face the 'mother' authority just like Sam and Tracy. Cooper also was close to the Major at the time, since he had been in the red room and saw Major Briggs' head floating by after the 'mother' chased him and Naido onto the 'space roof' where Naido shocked herself to escape the mother's authority.... The way the return of Agent Cooper into Mr. C would resonate within Mr. C himself would be something sinister, threatening his entire existence, knowing his secret, what he has to crush and hide from in order to exist....Agent Cooper coming back to his old struggle....
Now that Cooper/Dougie has shocked himself like Naido, instead of returning under 'mother's roof' and getting thrown into Dougie's life, old Agent Cooper is determined to come back again....hes had one too many pieces of chocolate cake...
Sorry if this is crude, but if lynch intentionally made the show better to view on an sd tv, f him and his nonsense.
Ive check it again and confirmed it(unless my HD television setting are wildly wrong, even though it always looks fine): On an HD television all that you see is a black space/opening to the right of the teapot/bell, while on an sd/tube television you see clearly an archway/opening and you see the other room back there, its back wall, so there is definitely a room(seems like a control room) directly behind the teapot/bell machine......the real Jeffries could be back there controlling that machine
One more thing, on the sd/tube version of the scene, the lighting is much brighter, less black, more definition in general....and on the bottom right of the Jeffries/machine scene, there is a row of flashing white bars that can be seen very clearly on the tube/sd tv, they seem to be in the same rhythm of Jeffries' voice...although I dont have much more on the import/meaning of this so far
That entire convenience store scene is far better, imo, on an sd/tube tv, looks much much nicer there imo.... Whatever is said about it, its definitely an interesting way to hide a clue, seeing as how only a few people who still have a tube tv that functions would be able to see it...seeing more with less (like Andy with the 'only cheese' sandwich gets taken to the lodge(him and Lucy stuck to the old ways and believe in the log and log lady's ability, unlike the new Chad, and lucy does not know about cell phones, etc., it fits in here); or the approach of airing only one episode a week, which imo is great...
More definition in general?
I don't think you understand sd vs hd....
Hi Murat,
Do you have the Criterion version of Eraserhead? Even before the main menu appears, there is a message from Lynch and Criterion that HD TVs are often set at the factory to with the contrast and brightness too high or too low.
They recommend adjusting these, and have a application on the disc that allows you to do that for the best picture viewing - especially in black and white.
😉
- /< /\ /> -
I tried this, setting the brightness all the way up on the HD tv(it was only set on 1/2 before that), even though this makes the rest of the Twin Peaks episode looks strange, not right. With the brightness all the way up, you can see more of the forest in the basement and make out the 'control room' behind Jeffries 'teapot machine', you can also see the radiator flashing in and out of the bottom right corner. Nevertheless, the colors and lighting are still off in the entire convenience store scene: on the HD with brightness all the way up, you can see these clues, but they are still somewhat indistinct and lacking in visual impact. On the HD, the entire convenience store scene looks almost devoid of color, and the color that is there seems dimmed down or blunted. Further, even with the brightness all the way up, you cannot see the flashing radiator or the 'control room' as clearly or as defined. Looking at this same scene on an SD, its all right there right away, on normal setting. The colors on the SD are not as blunted, and are visually impressive when interacting with the black and white 'background' of the scene, with the lighting that allows very sharp and distinct visuals. The HD version is more like watching something with only black and white, with minimal variations here and there, and patches of black and shape that you cannot really make out clearly; while the SD, everything that imposes on the scene(flashing radiator, darkened entrance to the control room, trees appearing on the sides of the basement) is clear and distinct from beginning to end of the scene. Really strange here because I have never had trouble with the visuals on that television before
I think the strange 'settings'(lighting and color) here are internal to the production of the scene, made that way intentionally, thus the warning......On the HD, you would have to switch your settings various times when these types of scenes come up...and this has happened before(during Andy's vision and after Janey/E Dougie sex scene), when I first started noticing it, but this was the longest scene where that 'settings' effect has come into play. On the SD/tube television all the settings are great from beginning to end.....
No offense, but I think you're insane.
Manipulating the settings to see things in the background if anything depreciates the film bc you are seeing things that were filmed to be hidden.
And to say things like "on sd the colors aren't as blunted" is litery wrong. Like it goes against the concept of sd vs hd.
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