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I may have missed someone saying this already, but could Diane be Judy? She clearly has some backstory that we aren't privy to yet.
Basically nobody has a clue & we're all clutching at straws. Lol
Icthink maybe Judy is the Experiement (or the Experiemental Model).
It is not clear as to whom Jeffries thinks he is talking to (C or Coop) or whom he prefers to be talking to. It is very clear however (to me at least) that Judy is the woman who opened the door to Mr. C, hence Jeffries says "you already MET Judy" (as in a couple of seconds ago) and Coop corrects him "you mean I HAVE already met Judy" (as in the past). The woman reappearing after the end credits kind of reconfirms that this is Judy.
What is extremely unclear to me (and perhaps u guys can help me understand) is how is it possible for Mr.C (Bob in reality) to not recognize/remember/feel Judy. He has all the memories of Coop (if judy is a human) and as Bob he has knowledge of all spirits, particularly those connected with Jeffries.
Icthink maybe Judy is the Experiement (or the Experiemental Model).
Whoa. That would be a surprise.
BTW I think I recognize the actor who plays the opening door woman (it is certainly a man). He looks like the man who portrayed the jumping man in FWWM. Any chance remembering correctly?
I love that Jeffries f**** with Bad Coop's head. There is clearly something more afoot here. Coop doesn't get the answers he's looking for at all.
I too wonder if Judy is Naido. What we've never seen is whether BadCoop had to fall through space and take an electric outlet to get to earth when he took over GoodCoop's body. Perhaps he "met" Naido at the same "transfer station" but doesn't remember her.
Other thoughts on Jeffries. Is the Jeffries we meet at "The Dutchman's" a doppelganger of the original? Interestingly, he DOESN'T speak backwards the way the woman who let bad Coop into Jeffries' room does. Don't know what that means, if anything.
When Jeffries has had enough of BadCoop, he sets up the phone call. When BadCoop answers it he gets ejected from the Dutchman's via the electrical wire.
So it seems that the attitude of other 'evil entities' towards BadCoop is not universally favorable. Which means that the Jeffries Kettle Pot may indeed have phoned Ray to put the hit on BadCoop, and may also be working with Mike in the Lodge to try to send Bob/Coop back there.
Hi MJ,
What kind of wood doesn't float?
Natalie Wood! 😉
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What is extremely unclear to me (and perhaps u guys can help me understand) is how is it possible for Mr.C (Bob in reality) to not recognize/remember/feel Judy. He has all the memories of Coop (if judy is a human) and as Bob he has knowledge of all spirits, particularly those connected with Jeffries.
Hi full,
Human or spirit, she used a pseudonym. Just to drive us all crazy. And that would have been a short trip, anyway! 😉
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Hi all - I've been reading for awhile - but I'm of the mindset that Judy is Audrey Horne.
The first time she and Charlie show up - he gaslights her with the "I don't have a crystal ball". The crystal ball is right in front of him. Just like it is between Professor Marvel and Dorothy. Professor Marvel looks into his crystal ball - but it's not really a crystal ball. He just has info on Dorothy while her 'eyes are closed'.
I think on this thread someone pointed out the Garland Briggs statement about "Judy Garland", the flying Monkey - IE Wizard of Oz references.
We also had a fork in the road - IF that was a fork Dougie stuck in the wall. I thought it was a knife - I'll have to watch again.
So whose on the yellow brick road? Right now - Audrey isn't. She's in a house with Charlie. We saw Mr. C on the road.
I just feel like Judy is right in front of us. Lynch loves layers, symbolism and tricking his viewers - but sometimes the trick is putting it right in front of us like Lula and Glinda in a bubble. He loves his long dark roads/highways.
I fully expect to be wrong - but who Judy is this season is driving me crazy the way Who Laura Palmer's killer did.
At the end of the day - the person (albeit possessed) who killed Laura was right in front of us all along.
I'm also hoping for a nod to West Side story if this is the end of the road for Twin Peaks. Tony and Riff (Ben Horne and Russ Tamblyn) sitting outside the Roadhouse (Bang Bang) and Jacoby wants Horne to go inside to dance and Horne tells Jacoby he senses something important will happen and Jacoby suggests perhaps it has something to do with the dance.
^My own fan fiction wish list^. 🙂
The charm of Twin Peaks originally was those two from one of my favorite movies being in it.
Interesting.
Maybe Audrey is the Dreamer (Judy) after all! She'll wake up to three familiar faces.
We all sound a bit like a babbling brook at this point. 🙂 Who knows how the hawk flies?
The history of Judy, vis a vis Lynch/Frost's scripts over the last 27 years:
"What it does not do, however, is explain why—at two hours, eight minutes and 21 seconds into the film—an image of a monkey appears on screen and clearly says the word, "Judy." This very deliberate scene suggests something else entirely about Judy. But what?"
http://abovethestore.blogspot.com/2009/04/judy-judy-judy.html
Everything about that line so perfectly encapsulates my own confusion as a 15 year old trying to make sense of that "Judy" monkey.
I started out as a David Lynch fan, not a Twin Peaks, and saw FWWM before I had seen any of the original series. I actually didn't realize at the time that it was a TV show prequel--just thought it was a standalone picture and I was working my way through his other movies.
When I discovered the truth of it's connection to the series, I assumed that accounted for all of this confusing monkey business. Imagine my further consternation as I watched both Season 1 and Season 2 of Twin Peaks (with the last half of season 2 being a painful slog indeed), and discovered that there was STILL NO EXPLANATION FOR THAT 'JUDY' MONKEY.
I swear to God, David Lynch needs to explain that 'Judy' monkey in the next 3 hours.
As a female nickname
Originally a pet form of Judith (praised, woman from Judah), Judy is commonly bestowed as an independent given name.
Judy could be another incarnation of Laura Palmer, and it could be another reference to Hitchcock's Vertigo. After her death Laura first reappeared as Madeleine and she might return again as Judy. Lynch has acknowledged Vertigo as a source of inspiration. It's much like his fascination with Sunset Boulevard, of which he showed a short excerpt in part 15, and which appears to have finally woken Cooper from his trance. For those not familiar with Vertigo, the heroine is first introduced as Madeleine (whom she is impersonating,) but her real name is Judy.
I like this. Just another Lynch/Frost hint towards much of what we are seeing is a "dream". Many people think that in Vertigo, the Jimmy Stewart character is "dreaming" the story after he has fallen off the roof in the beginning and is dying. Similar to Betty in Mullholland Drive it seems as well.
Judy is a monkey name like in the old show Daktari. Judy was a chimp.
May there's a link with Naido's monkey chattering
Well, I think James is Judy, 'cos he's teamed up with Punch.
*gets coat...*
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