So... Who's the dreamer?  

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(@iban-manzano)
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I'm not suggesting that Twin Peaks, the show, is just the dream of someone (I'd hate this solution), but according to the question of M. Bellucci ("Who is the dreamer?") is probably that there's someone outside who is the main dreamer (means what it means to be a dreamer) at least in a symbolic level. Maybe the fireman? Or another possibility? 

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Posted : 14/08/2017 4:56 am
(@audrey-horne)
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One of the most provocative quote of TP Season 1 was "We all live inside a dream."

This implies that many of the experience of the key characters in TP: The Return are occurring in their dreams. Consequently, their stories as we saw on screen only exists in their dreams. The dream could be a short normal dream when they slept or a long one due to a coma (many are the latter). Some dreams might be induced a hallucinating agent (e.g., cocaine, marijuana, etc.).

Just to mention a few key characters who I think might be in a state of  dream right now are the following:

- Agent Cooper (comatose since he went into the Black Lodge some 25 years ago). Some in other forums have theorized he's been in comatose state since he was shot by Josie at S1 series finale. The entire Dougie Coop experience in Vegas is definitely a dream. One can debate whether Mr C exists in the real world or not.

- Audrey Horne (comatose since the bank explosion at S2 finale). Her two appearances with the so-called Charlie (who in real life must be her doctor) are part of her coma experience.

- Gordon Cole's definitely dreaming in this episode. His interaction with "Monica" seems to be coming from his dream.

- Some of the scenes involving Becky Briggs after she imbibed the coke in Steven's car back in S5 might exist in her dream as well.

- Hawk perhaps?? Somehow I have a feeling that's how his ancestors figured out the cave's secret and how he figures out Laura Palmer's diary and Major Briggs secrets this season.

- Definitely Major Briggs dreamt a lot (while comatose or under the inflience) during the time he was alive.

These are just my thoughts. Care to add anyone else or to disagree??

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Posted : 14/08/2017 5:11 am
(@ezekielmoist)
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I thought about Cooper instantly. And then the London guy came to my mind. He's the dreamer who's living inside his dream, there could be a key in his story

There's nothing quite like urinating out in the open air

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Posted : 14/08/2017 6:31 am
(@stwallskull2)
Dweller

Maybe the dreamer is the audience?

This is one show where the cliche "it was all just a dream" would actually be satisfying. Yes, it was all just a dream... but isn't everything?

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Posted : 14/08/2017 10:27 am
Mirella Derks, Lucas Bracci, ella and 1 people liked
(@fishinthepercolator)
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As I stated in another thread, the most obvious answers is Coop, with the dream being the one he was talking about with Gordon before Jeffries appeared in Philly. But also, Jeffries or Gordon themselves seem to have had meaningful dreams (in Jeffries' case more than a dream he has knowledge about dreams). Or maybe it means that each of these dreams end up affecting the reality as Monica Bellucci, Lodge Entity, states that WE are like the dreamer.

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Posted : 14/08/2017 11:00 am
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(@roberto_bella)
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I'm not sure the question of who the dreamer is will be 'answered.' It's sort of the big metaphysical question of all existence.

If the question WERE answered in the context of the show, that would be pretty trippy. But it might also be considered 'cheap,' as other shows have used this device, like "Dallas" with <Soft SPOILER> Bobby Ewing's fake death, and "St. Elsewhere" in which <SPOILER> the entire show is dreamt by an autistic character.

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Posted : 14/08/2017 11:29 am
(@bmoscovitz)
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I really just thought Monica Bellucci was talking about Cooper. As in, he needs to wake up eventually.

Write it in your diary

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Posted : 14/08/2017 11:32 am
(@floatinghigherandhigher)
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Did you notice that when Monica Belluci says "who's the dreamer" actually sounded like who's the dripper? I know it doesn't make any sense but I watched it twice and that's what I heard. Is like in part 12 when Candie said at the Casino, that "there was so much traffic in the strip". 

And Monica Belluci's scene is one of my favourite in all the series!! 

Lovely ♥

 

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Posted : 14/08/2017 11:49 am
(@severelyatomicmagazine)
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Posted by: Roberto Bella

I'm not sure the question of who the dreamer is will be 'answered.' It's sort of the big metaphysical question of all existence.

If the question WERE answered in the context of the show, that would be pretty trippy. But it might also be considered 'cheap,' as other shows have used this device, like "Dallas" with <Soft SPOILER> Bobby Ewing's fake death, and "St. Elsewhere" in which <SPOILER> the entire show is dreamt by an autistic character.

Yes. Unless the "answer" is that there's no single dreamer - instead we're all dreaming, and living within, our own dreams - which intersect (sometimes  or continuously)

All consciousness is a dream web spun by all beings. 

Whoa ? 

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Posted : 14/08/2017 12:48 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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There is no dreamer, the dreamer does not exist(it fails to exists, the world does not fit it, it is like a vortex inside everyone, that has a problem with the world, dreams of something better, freedom, looking for love, justice etc.), there is only dreaming as an 'instrument' that interacts with the world, living in this antagonism, 'makes things right', etc......when the 'blue rose' woman found this out she killed her old dreaming as if since it does not exist, it should be killed to make way for what exists(much as Laura did, the return of Naido signals the return of the injured 'genuine dreaming' that they tried to kill but failed, now it is injured 'mentally', but important).  Also, Cooper cannot take hearing 'non-existence'(that the world is corrupted and broken, the nature of 'the world of truck drivers' that does not allow the dreamer to exist, etc.), that the dreamer does not exist, that is why he became corrupted and could not return directly to old Agent Cooper, but has to arise now within within existence as non-existence(Audrey does not feel like herself, existentialism 101), bring back the dream as dreaming, not as an existing self or 'dreamer'.  And 'who is that there' when Jeffries pointed to Cooper, he is the dreamer who thought he exists and can fit harmoniously in the world, that nature(the deep woods) will take care of him, he tried to exist as his dreams in Twin Peaks and Laura, thought they existed there, then exposed to the brutal limitations and truth of Twin Peaks, that it is just like Philadelphia.  What exists without dreaming is slow decay alongside dead dreams, natures repetitive cycle of destruction and repetition of the same direct failure, a vortex that slowly tears reality apart without complaint(nature's violent tyranny), the 'world of truck drivers', failure to interact the dreaming with the world in any way, accepting the tyranny of 'whatever happens', without any standards, hiding from antagonism and 'solving the problems', like Mr. C and Dougie who accept the corrupted world 'as it exists'(one follows it blindly, the suburbanite Dougie, the other controls it, imposes its dreams of tyranny and unleashes its pain on the world, in a reign of tyranny in order to be #1 truck driver/mafia, that allows no dreams or freedom, tracks the coordinates of the red room and vortex manifestations, kills off the people trying to dream, this is Mr. C)....

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Posted : 14/08/2017 1:59 pm
Alberto Rocha, Myn0k, Joni Kelly and 1 people liked
(@venus2275)
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Jeffries also said in the FWWM scene  'we are living in a dream.' The part with Cooper standing in front of the camera in the corridor, before Jeffries walks in was according to Engels to signify that we all have a doppelgänger that exists a few seconds after our main body. Cooper captured this in that scene. His doppelgänger. It hadnt been corrupted at that point though, although Jeffries didn't know that as time does not run in a linear fashion in the lodge. 

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Posted : 14/08/2017 8:35 pm
(@damien_crowley)
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My best guess is Naido. She doesn't have eyes, which  could be a metaphor for sleep or unable to see "reality" and seeing things in the dream state.  She has also traverse realms, planes and different dimensions, something that can happen when you're asleep and dreaming. 

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Posted : 14/08/2017 9:40 pm
(@my-dharma-is-the-road)
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I think severelyatomicmagazine is basically right. David Lynch apparently uses this quote all the time. It's a quote from the Upanishads, which is the key book of Vedanta, which gets quoted quite often this days because of how it aligns surprisingly well with modern science, given that it's 2,500 years old. Basically it's about the idea that the entire universe is one seamless thing/process, and depending on the language used in translation this thing can be just the universe, or God, or in this case 'the dreamer'. It's saying the whole universe is one entity dreaming itself. So saying “Who is the dreamer?” (which isn't from the Upanishads) is like asking about the basic nature of reality.

 

So it might not have anything to do with the plot of Twin Peaks, but is just something Lynch thinks sounds cool. This might shed more light on it:

 

 

http://ask.metafilter.com/87182/David-Lynchs-spider

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Posted : 15/08/2017 3:58 am
(@pynchjan)
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Posted : 15/08/2017 4:02 am
(@chris_sampson)
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This is surely a vague, philosophical question that the series will not answer.  The underlying theory will not be explained.

"We're in the version layer..."

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Posted : 15/08/2017 4:56 am
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