Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
Ok, I've cracked it. The blue rose is becoming one of the biggest thing of the Return now. However, when Albert and Cole explained the history of the odd plant to Tammy, it came off as if there had ever been four people working with the blue rose cases: Gordon, Albert, Coop and Jeffries. They neglected to mention Chet Desmond, which is in a way understandable, since it could be that his participation didn't last long and he ended up vanishing without a trace.
Sam Stanley was eager to find out more about the blue rose, but Chet turned him down cold: he couldn't say anything. Chet was clearly part of the inside circle and one of the few who knew.
Since Coop is finally out of the lodge, the only ones who have both vanished and are still missing are Desmond and Jeffries. So where are they? The only logical place would be in the lodge. We've seen that you end up there when you wear the ring (which Desmond did (well he just touched it, but still)) and Jeffries stated back in the day that he had already attended the lodge people's meetings...
Ok, if you read this far, I'm gonna have to disappoint you: naturally I have no clue how it all ends (although had I told you the actual ending here, beforehand, THAT would've been the truly disappointing thing), as the Return has been as unexpected as it gets all the way.
BUT. As the final episode draws to a close, we shall not go to the Roadhouse for music anymore. Instead, with Coop (back to his old self), we shall enter the red room once more. He will go there with Gordon. They will kick back to those comfy chairs, have some damn good sticky black goo coffee with a certain beautiful blonde giving them a kiss (Gordon's socks might be in fire there).
This is followed then by the final music performance of the show: Jeffries and Desmond aka Bowie and Isaak, together with the dancing man from another place (I guess we have to live with the brain tree). 'Cause what else would they do there!
Now there's an ending and that's a performance to die for (sorry James). What's more interesting, it will, of course, be all backwards. 😉
In all seriousness, it's been absolutely fantastic, I'm loving the ride (though could do without the Jacoby bits and some sensible female characters wouldn't have hurt) and will make the most of it as long as it lasts (and much longer). I'm confident Dave will end this in a way both wonderful and strange. And he will leave things hanging, that's for sure. But I wouldn't want it any other way.
I have to say I also love the fact that it would seem that Lynch was thinking the deep mythology stuff (that's unfolding now) already way back during the original series (convenience store etc) and even more so during the making of FWWM (especially deleted covenience store scenes present only in the FWWM screenplay). It's not something they came up with just now with the new episodes. That's just great and not many (if any) revivals can say the same.
Also, thanks for your thoughts along the way, it's been interesting reading them. Perhaps I will comment some now that I went through the trouble of registering. 😉
P.S. Hello there. I've been following the forum from day 1. Now finally joined. Was a semi-regular years ago at 2000revue.com/community, which seems to have been completely erased now. But perhaps some of you were there. I'm from Finland, which makes it even more special that I have actually met my idol, mr. Lynch, once and talked to him two times. Lucky me. 🙂 I'm a filmmaker myself too, will finish my first feature film later this year.
I think Julee Cruise will end the series with a song, maybe even with Falling.
... when Albert and Cole explained the history of the odd plant to Tammy, it came off as if there had ever been four people working with the blue rose cases: Gordon, Albert, Coop and Jeffries. They neglected to mention Chet Desmond, which is in a way understandable, since it could be that his participation didn't last long and he ended up vanishing without a trace.
Watch the scene again. Albert mentions Chet Desmond when's rattling-off the names of the Blue Rose team. He then mentions how (not counting Cole), he (Albert) is the only one who hasn't mysteriously vanished.
P.S. Hello there. I've been following the forum from day 1. Now finally joined.
Hi Arttu,
As Uncle Ernie once told Tommy:
"WELCOME!"
😉
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The series will end with the Lynch/Frost logo.
Yep. A happy ending? That's not what Twin Peaks is all about. lol It's about murder. Bloody murder! And unfortunately solving who done it doesn't stop it from happening again.
Coop needs to wake up possibly to stop Bob, who is still out there somewhere in Twin Peaks. Doubt it'll be in time.
I'm going to drink a cup of damn good coffee tonight, "black as midnight on a mooooonless night", and explain how this should all go down.
Yep. A happy ending? That's not what Twin Peaks is all about. lol It's about murder. Bloody murder! And unfortunately solving who done it doesn't stop it from happening again.
Coop needs to wake up possibly to stop Bob, who is still out there somewhere in Twin Peaks. Doubt it'll be in time.
I'm going to drink a cup of damn good coffee tonight, "black as midnight on a mooooonless night", and explain how this should all go down.
I'm listening
Although a damn fine cup of bloody mary might work better.
Thank you Arttu, was a pleasure reading your contribution. With regards to the Blue Rose case agents, did you read the Secret History of Twin Peaks-book by Mark Frost (2016)? Good way to prolong and enhance the Twin Peaks joy. Without spoiling too much: in the book Tammy Preston (p. 322/323) also lists the 7 Blue Rose FBI-ers: Cole, Cooper, Desmond, Earle, Jeffries, Rosenfield and Stanley. Cooper split up, Desmond vanished, Earle 'desouled' bij BOB in the Red Room, Jeffries lost in Argentina/electrical circuitry, Stanley quit FBI and now alcoholic. Next page Tammy comments dryly: 'Aformentioned list clearly not a very good list to be on'.
Gotta love Frost (who also wrote a novel called 'The List of 7', by the way) & Lynch for their subcool sense of humor!
I think Julee Cruise will end the series with a song, maybe even with Falling.
I certainly looking forward to it. It will be one act at the Roadhouse that everyone will remember 🙂 🙂
Valkömmen Arttu,
Add another vote for Julee Cruise fading into the Roadhouse or at least the soundscape. Also, I won't be surprised if Agent CD appears even briefly. (I saw him at a local concert a year ago and he is looking as sharp as any Blue Rose agent would). Personally, and I'm not joking though I think everyone would think I'm nuts, I wish I could get one last sage wisecrack from Tojamura. I'd settle for a snipe from Catherine.
Hey, aside, your family name is my mother's maiden name. Family from Sweden (I'm US), but I have family in Vaasa and Helsingfors (stubborn old Swede-Fins refuse to say Helsinki).
Right you are – I was merely talking about episode 14, but those names were mentioned in the ep 12 bit. My bad!
Tim Lowry: Twin Peaks definitely isn't about happy endings. I have no preference, my only hope is that everything won't be explained in full. At this point, it's looking good. 😉 But, despite what I wrote earlier, in all honesty I hope the finale won't end in a musical performance. Having Julee Cruise sing at some earlier point would be fantastic though.
William De Bruijn: I must admit I have not read it. Might have to. Stanley's participation is a bit of a surprise (and he's not listed by Albert in that segment from episode 12). If there are inconsistencies like that between the book and the series, that's not a good thing...
Subalpine Fir, Nice to hear that. Haglund is a Swedish name, as you must know. We've got lots of those in Finland. Swedish is also the second official language of Finland and still the majority language in some rare parts of the country. That's what you get for being under the Swedish rule from 1250 to 1809... Twin Peaks, however, is all about the Norwegians.
I don't think Catherine or Desmond will appear (or Annie, sadly – that's the one person you really would've expected, considering Coop's final words of season 2), but still have a tiny wish that Bowie might've actually shot something for this. That'd be extremely cool. 🙂
Right you are – I was merely talking about episode 14, but those names were mentioned in the ep 12 bit. My bad!
Tim Lowry: Twin Peaks definitely isn't about happy endings. I have no preference, my only hope is that everything won't be explained in full. At this point, it's looking good. 😉 But, despite what I wrote earlier, in all honesty I hope the finale won't end in a musical performance. Having Julee Cruise sing at some earlier point would be fantastic though.
William De Bruijn: I must admit I have not read it. Might have to. Stanley's participation is a bit of a surprise (and he's not listed by Albert in that segment from episode 12). If there are inconsistencies like that between the book and the series, that's not a good thing...
Subalpine Fir, Nice to hear that. Haglund is a Swedish name, as you must know. We've got lots of those in Finland. Swedish is also the second official language of Finland and still the majority language in some rare parts of the country. That's what you get for being under the Swedish rule from 1250 to 1809... Twin Peaks, however, is all about the Norwegians.
I don't think Catherine or Desmond will appear (or Annie, sadly – that's the one person you really would've expected, considering Coop's final words of season 2), but still have a tiny wish that Bowie might've actually shot something for this. That'd be extremely cool. 🙂
Arttu,
2 thoughts:
It's also about Iceland. "We had those Icelanders by the horns!" (er, Hornes?)
and, lest it be forgotten,
"The Norwegians are leaving, the Norwegians are leaving!"
Poor little Audrey--she really did start ALL the commotion, and now look where she is.
(Where is she?)
Arttu,
2 thoughts:
It's also about Iceland. "We had those Icelanders by the horns!" (er, Hornes?)
and, lest it be forgotten,
"The Norwegians are leaving, the Norwegians are leaving!"
Poor little Audrey--she really did start ALL the commotion, and now look where she is.
(Where is she?)
Actually no, the correct quote is "We had those Vikings by the horns!" – still referring to the Norwegians that left. There are no Icelanders in the series. 🙂
Audrey's whereabouts is definitely a mystery. One that we will learn about in the very next episode, I believe. But I don't think there's a dream/coma scenario at hand. We've only ever seen Cooper's, Laura's or Sarah's dreams/visions before. And now Gordon's. These have all been presented to be a dream in an obvious way, unlike Audrey's scenes. Furthermore, the mentioning of both Billy and Tina is proof enough for me that Audrey is in the real world. With Billy alone it could've POSSIBLY been something else.
Fire walk with 
