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No theories here. I just wanted to say, wow. For all the theorizing I've done about relations among Diane, Janey-E, and Candie, never once did I wonder if they were sisters. Lynch and Frost really surprised me on that one. I don't know where to take my theorizing now.
Did anyone else have any thoughts about this new fact and whether it affects the Candie = Diane C theory? Or if Janey-E is related to the 119 girl (doppelgangers??)? And there's still that owl that flew over Dougie's head the moment before we first hear and see Janey-E. What does it all mean? It's like we're in a dream!
Did I miss something? When did Candie become the 3rd sister?
Did I miss something? When did Candie become the 3rd sister?
Never. Never. I didn't mean related like family; I meant like doppelgangers. There has been some (flimsy) theorizing on my part and others' that since Candie can be rearranged into Diane C, Candie might be like a "good doppelgänger" of Diane. We're all just desperate for Dougie Coop to turn into real Cooper, and after the first cherry pie scene, some were hoping Candie might be the one to unlock him.
With each episode though, it becomes more apparent that if Dale Cooper returns, it will be in Episode 18. Or
Diane said that she hadn't spoken to Janey-E for a couple of years, but does that mean that she hasn't met Dougie either? I don't think so, otherwise she would have been flabbergasted about how much Dougie looks like the missing Dale.
Yeah. I don't think Diane ever met Dougie. He was definitely manufactured, and Diane woulda been extra freaked out to see him. Most important: Diane said she and Janey-E were "estranged," so it has probably been many many years.
At any rate, at least we got a connection to the Janey-E ring in Briggs, and it was a connection I never ever imagined.
Someone made a great point in this thread: http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-14/even-accounting-for-episode-8-this-is-the-best-yet/
Diane may have been making up the fact that she and Janey-E were sisters in an effort to lead Cole and Albert to Las Vegas. I can't shake the thought that Janey-E is just as much "manufactured" as the Dougie who dissolved in the Red Room.
This discussion just spawned a theory or series of questions. Original Dougie was manufactured; this we know. If Janey-E was also manufactured and ends up serving her purpose then POOF! gone, where does that leave Sonny Jim? Could Dougie Coop innately know/feel that Sonny Jim is destined to be an orphan (thus the tears when looking at him)? Could the Mitchum's comment, "even at the orphanage we had a gym set," be a clue here?
Also, perhaps Diane was only half-lying when saying she and Janey E are sisters. If Janey is a tulpa created partially in Diane's image, then they are in a way, akin to each other.
There is a complicity between Diane and Candie(Diane C), Candie being the Diane who married Mr. C, took the green formica ring, that his tyranny is all that exists, thus shooting her 'blue rose' self, and taking the ring. Candie was upset, crying, saying 'how can I be loved', this Mitchum's 'version layer' is not good enough, etc., what is air conditioning without my dreams?, etc. Candie was initially upset with the Mitchums, then during the restaurant scene, she explained how her problem(being stuck in traffic) had been resolved by her just accepting that the problem will never be solved, 'thats how it is, exists, etc., nothing to be done', she took the ring, married to a rule not fit for her 'blue rose' dreams.
Diane faced the same problem, she is permanently stuck in a problem/traffic after 'that night' with Mr. C, her 'blue rose' dreams shot, etc. It seems on first glance that Diane has not 'taken the ring' yet(doesnt have the last name C), unlike Candie(or Dougie) she has not learned to like all those cars around at the traffic jam. Nevertheless Diane remains 'married' to Mr. C in a way, she remains fascinated with Mr. C and is drawn to him, sometimes working with him and sometimes upset with him, needs him in order to disobey him, etc, like Audrey trying to perversely humiliate her 'husband' Charlie. Diane has shot her 'blue rose' self, her dreams, because they were crushed by the tyranny of existence imposed by Mr. C, Diane is now convinced that all that exists are Mr. C types(like Shelly and Norma), and now tries to play in that game, crushing the dreams of all other men alongside her own as she masochistically acts out. Thus Diane ends up with her 'stable', Shelly ends up with Red, etc., their dreams were killed, now they kill men's dreams, end up with men who kill dreams, they have taken the ring(Shelly et. all wear a closed ring as a necklace).
Naido represents the return of the 'blue rose' dreams, Laura with the angels, etc. Dreams do not exist, Mr. C/billionaires make sure of that, so 'the spice(profit/enjoyment) can flow' to them in exponentially increasing measure. Dreams do not exist and people have to live in dreams/'non-existence' alongside existence, they are about what people lack in existence, problems/traffic they have to overcome, etc., so that there is no dreamer, no one existing, the attempt to fully exist is a sadomasochistic downfall that spirals into self destruction as the person is torn apart by the chaos and blind violence of repetitive and boring nature(Mr. C and Dougie, etc.). Nevertheless, dreams as 'not existing' give the productivity and overcoming that open up existence and the world to the possibility of genuine events which change history, for example imposing the reign of freedom in place of Mr. C/billionaire's tyranny, but the realization here is never perfect, more problems crop up over time, nothing is guaranteed etc., the dreamer does not exist outside of dreaming and believing in the existence of that genuine dream as effective; without the 'blue rose' dream, by shooting it freedom is destroyed, opened up to the brutal repetitive barbarism of nature's blind vortex, wiping out life, imposing violence and disaster without any regard for dreams/thought which have a problem with tyranny, tries to fix the problems, etc.
All is not said and done nonetheless, Diane had monetarily vowed to overcome her problem with Mr. C when she said 'lets rock', but then seemed to go right back to immersing herself in the 'traffic jam', betraying Cole, et al. to send them to a trap in vegas(part of Mr. C's doubleheader?), she has been swaying back and forth a little bit, see how this develops. Candie was against Mitchum's who have no regard for the 'blue rose'(sad love, tragedy, 'falling', etc.) dream, then swayed back in with them, etc. Also, this is a problem of Albert, he scoffed at both Cole dreams of Monica Bellushi and also made fun of Hastings dreams of 'drinking mixed drinks on the beach', while Cole was nodding in acknowledgement of Hastings dreams. But this works to Albert's advantage sometimes, his skeptical doubt is necessary, not everything is fit for dreams, they are exceptional, like true love, etc....this was the scene with Cole and Albert after the 'turnip' woman left the hotel room. And this skepticism goes overboard sometimes for Albert....as Cole does with his believing in dreams where they should be doubted, where existence is not worthy of them(like Candie in with the Mitchums). Mr. C is close to Albert and Diane, while Dougie is close to Cole and Candie.
Hi Jesse,
I still don't see how the ring got in Briggs. Hastings and Ruth Davenport found him at 2240 Sycamore, Buckhorn, SD, when they naively completed their The Search for the Zone. They were the last to see him before, like poor Dougie, his head disappeared. Somehow around this time the golden band wound up in Major Judy (whom we're not going to talk about) Garland Brigg's stomach.
But who in Buckhorn had any connection to Dougie and Janey-E? Diane, at the time was busy with her "stable of male suitors" (any white horses in that stable? ;-), so the idea that she might be related to Janey-E-gets-two-rides doesn't exactly help explain the ring.
Is Phillip Jeffries in a secret war with Mr. C? ("Who do you think this is there?") Was it he who was able to subvert Mr. C's minions, the dearly departed Darya and Ray, and get them to try and kill him? Was the One Ring in Briggs a way to get the Blue Rose Bunch down to Vegas if all else failed to help wake Dale?
So many questions, so little time! 😉
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In terms of the ring didn't Dougie have the lodge ring on? If so whatever killed Briggs must have swapped them and put it in Briggs stomach. Why? No idea
In terms of the ring didn't Dougie have the lodge ring on? If so whatever killed Briggs must have swapped them and put it in Briggs stomach. Why? No idea
What if the ring wasn't put there, but rather that Maj. Briggs put it there himself, knowing his end was coming, and wanting to leave a clue for whomever found him (or more specifically, the blue rose task force (BRTF)?
In terms of the ring didn't Dougie have the lodge ring on? If so whatever killed Briggs must have swapped them and put it in Briggs stomach. Why? No idea
What if the ring wasn't put there, but rather that Maj. Briggs put it there himself, knowing his end was coming, and wanting to leave a clue for whomever found him (or more specifically, the blue rose task force (BRTF)?
That's what I think too. Briggs swallowed the ring on purpose.
In terms of the ring didn't Dougie have the lodge ring on? If so whatever killed Briggs must have swapped them and put it in Briggs stomach. Why? No idea
What if the ring wasn't put there, but rather that Maj. Briggs put it there himself, knowing his end was coming, and wanting to leave a clue for whomever found him (or more specifically, the blue rose task force (BRTF)?
This seems plausible. Some theories posit Briggs as having manuafactured Dougie, but even if he didn't it's reasonable to think that he was aware of what Dougie was and swallowed the ring to leave behind a bread crumb.
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