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(@aaron_c_wade)
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I get the impression that Jesse Holcomb is trying to pass along coded messages to his older colleagues, but they're just not catching on. Everything from the way he awkwardly postures (though that may be Lynch's own direction) to the non sequitur comments. 

My instincts tell me I like him, and he's going to be even more important as things unravel.

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 9:17 pm
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I like him, there's a scene from Part 6, where the high-pitched sound from the Great Northern carries on into the scene-where he seems to be looking up at or aware of something......tried to post a pic, but the screen turns white lately when I try to post pictures...scene is at 55m25s of part 6

 

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 10:22 pm
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He became something like an anti-thesis to Chad and now seems on board with the 'Tru-man' group after announcing Wally's arrival then doing some thinking(negating/non-factual, changing, instead of 'enjoying this beautiful day'/factual) while Chad was making fun of Truman's dead son.  This I guess would be the 'new car' he wants to show to sheriff Truman, that he is on board with him, and now wants to impress, arriving at the crime scene early to help Bobby.

Also, he was at Ed's 'gas farm' and heard shots, a clue that he is close to 'bookhouse boys', etc., and also maybe a premonition for James losing control of 'black fire' hes been conveniently ignoring('everything here is great', etc. while walking into the bang bang bar), he was there and heard shots, something snapped there, etc.......James face turned to stone....like the faces of the father and son 'hunters' who accidentally shot the RR, realized life is dead, becomes living dead like the zombie girl turned sick by her 'mother'...

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 10:29 pm
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Did anyone else notice that Jesse shows up at the scene of the gunshots and gets directions from Bobby to help clear out the traffic and take down names and id's etc... and then immediately shows up at the sherriff's station in the next scene to ask Frank if he wants to look at his car?  I don't think he should have been back at the station so quickly.  Or if he was he might have mentioned something about the chaos at the diner.  That was the same guy, right?

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 3:45 am
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The scene of him staring up into the wall while Chad makes fun of the deceased Truman kid reminded me of right after the "message" is received in the ???????'s "castle" (with Senorita Dido).  For like 30 seconds there's just the giant/??????? staring straight towards the camera, almost staring directly at us.  

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 6:12 am
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Posted by: Christen Phillips

Did anyone else notice that Jesse shows up at the scene of the gunshots and gets directions from Bobby to help clear out the traffic and take down names and id's etc... and then immediately shows up at the sherriff's station in the next scene to ask Frank if he wants to look at his car?  I don't think he should have been back at the station so quickly.  Or if he was he might have mentioned something about the chaos at the diner.  That was the same guy, right?

Same guy ... but I think that goes towards some of the wonky timelines in the show.  Are we seeing everything linearly?

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 8:09 am
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aaron, I had a similar impression.  Perhaps it's meant just to break up the moment, but I think he's an unintentional messenger.  He seems simple enough to easily influence.  Hawk did not seem impressed by his interruption, though.

Mark, that's interesting.  I wonder if there's a connection between the 'up and to the right staring into space' look he gives and Candie's similar look, for example.  Perhaps they are seeing something that is distracting/mesmerizing them.  When Candie was making the waves with her hand in one of the scenese, it reminded me of Mike saying "wake up" to Dougie.  I'd have to look at the Senorita scene again, but that could be another instance of that look, kdawg

Christen, good catch.  Pretty sure that was Jesse, but I'm not clear on how much time had elapsed.  Might be a continuity goof, or maybe enough time had passed that it was possible for him to do what he needed to do and get back to the station.

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 8:32 am
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He may have actually brought the shooting family back to the station rather than take statements in the middle of the street, which would require very little time to elapse in-between.

The question I have is: "Was the shooting actually a mistake by an innocent kid?"

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 8:46 am
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Posted by: James M Sweeney

He may have actually brought the shooting family back to the station rather than take statements in the middle of the street, which would require very little time to elapse in-between.

The question I have is: "Was the shooting actually a mistake by an innocent kid?"

Dont think it was a mistake, that kid was 'playing with black fire'; also this resonates with Red pointing the gun at Shelly during the bang bang bar scene back in episode 2; also, that entire scene in the street was set up for the hero Bobby, visualizing his dilemma(Shelly/Becky in the second car, etc.), thats why Bobby looked so confused at that kid, there is fire where he is going.....

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 3:56 pm
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Posted by: kdawg68

The scene of him staring up into the wall while Chad makes fun of the deceased Truman kid reminded me of right after the "message" is received in the ???????'s "castle" (with Senorita Dido).  For like 30 seconds there's just the giant/??????? staring straight towards the camera, almost staring directly at us.  

That's very insightful, and it made me realise something. 

The giant inhabited the Great Northern elderly gentleman in the original series. 

Surely he'd need a new host now?

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 4:09 pm
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I'm a little worried that this is another being-in-two-places-at-once (doubling) case (as in Lost Highway & FWWM), rather than simply a broken timeline or uncued ellipse of Jesse filling his tank at Ed's, working the kid shooter scene, interrupting Frank and Hawk. The parallels between the unfolding real-time reality and Bradley Mitchum's dream also suggests an increasing breakdown of the real world / film world reality and imaginative aspects (dreams, hallucinations, memories, fantasies). In spite of all the exposition, narrative development, stylistic consistencies, things seem to be getting more subtly weird.   

 
Posted : 25/07/2017 1:21 am
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I think I was a little too positive about Holcolmb and what he is so far......He is definitely trying to get away from the 'Chad lifestyle'(when he was thinking while Chad was making fun of the dead kid), the lifestyle of a cynic engaged in constant obscenity who is just 'enjoying the day' without making any genuine thinking-spirit, no work here.  But since Holcolmb is just breaking out of the 'Chad lifestyle' I believe he is too far to the extreme, like maybe too close to an excessive and arbitrary/unjust enforcement of the law, like the hunter kid firing off the gun randomly.  Holcolmb now has a 'face of stone', like Mr. C and the hunter kids, since he is trying to maintain himself as a 'tru man', but this can spill into arbitrary excessive enforcement of paternal law, when the law passes from just law to brute force with no reason to it, injustice, etc..  Holcolmbs stone face and the fact that he inappropriately interrupted the meeting show that he has determination and initiative, but that right now it is not well placed and may go to places where it shouldnt, it will show over time whether holcolmb/Bobby can place it in the right place or it will degrade into arbitrary violence.   Thus Holcolmb shows up right when the hero Bobby is confronting the emerging dilemma with his family and Red symbolized by the cars in the traffic jam.  Also, in the diner, in his attempts to be fatherly, Bobby went to extremes and was ready to corrupt the law(crack down hard on Steven while letting Becky go free) in order to show that he was willing to be there for his family, make it his own to be a father in, etc...probably getting desperate against the power of Shelly and her clique.....Thus this problem of the fatherly law going to excess and tyranny(Leo, Mr.C/Billionaire, etc., just being a violent brute firing off a gun, etc. was existing in Bobby and he may go this way, symbolized by the hunters and the appearance of the stone faced Holcolmb. 

 
Posted : 25/07/2017 1:29 am
(@pynchjan)
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And then there is the spectacular on-the-edit lens flare when he goes to talk to the little shooter's mother.

 
Posted : 25/07/2017 11:37 am
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Posted by: Mark Chamberlain Stevens

I like him, there's a scene from Part 6, where the high-pitched sound from the Great Northern carries on into the scene-where he seems to be looking up at or aware of something......tried to post a pic, but the screen turns white lately when I try to post pictures...scene is at 55m25s of part 6

 

Here it is.......

 

 
Posted : 26/07/2017 4:59 pm
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Anyone else think he looks like Sam - the kid who was killed by the Mother back in Ep 1? Coincidence?

 

 
Posted : 26/07/2017 5:24 pm
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