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I think they will kill off Janey-E and Sonny Jim if Audrey is in the mix somehow.
I definitely agree to some degree, Dougie was also hurting Janey E severely and her smothering is probably also a reaction to Dougie's infidelity, wild behavior, and her attempts to restore things to acceptable conditions are admirable, to say the least. But I think it then goes overboard with the smothering, then the two reaction(Dougie's from the smothering, and Janey's from Dougies wild and cowardly behavior) both reinforce each other and spiral downwards into a nightmare, both people are to blame here, mostly Dougie the first time around. Where I would defend myself is that this is a situation of Richard and Linda(psychopath and crippled in a wheelchair), two birds with one stone, both are reinforcing the mutual self-destruction, rather than working through the hard problems and committing themselves to the mutual love relationship, or making the hard choice of breaking it off if this is necessary.
What came first, Johhny running wild, or Johnny being tied up in a chair and wanting to run wild? Either way these two aspects are part of antagonism that must be confronted and dealt with, the thread must be torn.....
Murder, Johnny appears to be severely autistic. The real problem isn't that Sylvia tied him up, thereby preventing him from "saving" her, but that the Hornes never got Johnny any real help. They have the money to do so, but as i recall, they never called upon anyone but that clown Dr Jacoby. I would agree that they, and others, are in denial about problems. It doesn't look like the Hornes intend to call the police about Richard's home invasion and violence. Maybe from pride, or something to hide.
Johnny is certainly very unfortunate, a victim. But many of your posts (which I do find very interesting), make it sound like the men in this show are all victims, damaged by the all-consuming smothering female-mother-wife. I do not believe that Lynch's work is reducible to explanations or interpretations rooted in psychoanalysis.
in this show I think it is pretty equal that the men and women are both guilty of destroying each other in various ways.
And I genuinely think its a problem that Sylvia has Johnny tied up all day staring at a deranged teddy bear while he tries to run in place', or screaming 'hes out' 'hes out' get him back in', what to lock him up? Something is wrong here, right? All of this cannot be doing wonders for Johnny and his handicap/madness......really cruel to Johnny from all parties....Sylvia included.....; And yes, I know hes going to hurt himself, but Sylvia has reduced his existence to being 'locked up' or strapped to a chair, interspersed with minimal intervals of running into walls, whenever he can manage to escape Sylvia's watchful eye. Johnny wasnt always like that, only when he lived with Sylvia alone. now if you combine this with how she talks to Ben, you can scrap together some kind of 'point of view' talking behind those statement, 'who would say such a thing', etc., and thats how I got my idea of Sylvia.....
If Sonny Jim is Dougies kid that opens up a weird paradox of a created person actually able to get someone pregnant if the whole Vegas thing is real and not some imagined world created by the lodge.
Not really, if Dougie was a fully functional biological entity. That would be taking account of having a copy of Coop's DNA, too.
If, as someone mentioned in another thread, souls do exist in the Twin Peaks continuity, the gold bead left behind when Dougie was destroyed could well be his. Could have been manufactured, along with his body, could have been captured and adapted to suit, or any number of things. If the Giant/Fireman/??????? can create souls - as he appeared to do with Laura - then why not some of the other zone entities?
Even if Dougie didn't have a soul, there's still no problem. Who knows how souls get to inhabit a body, anyhow? Maybe they're just floating around, waiting for a host. Sonny Jim is born and gets a soul.
Half way through, I now thing that's it's entirely possible that Good Cooper may never return.
I think the season will end with a moment that makes it seem like Cooper has returned. Before we can be certain, the episode will end and that will be that.
I actually don’t want Cooper to EVER come back! I want ‘Dougie’ to go and live out his days in Twin Peaks. I want his simple ways to be a salve to the trouble souls of that small town.
If Sonny Jim is Dougies kid that opens up a weird paradox of a created person actually able to get someone pregnant if the whole Vegas thing is real and not some imagined world created by the lodge.
But Janey-E may have used protection to avoid pregnancy. Also we don't know if being disintegrated & reformed back into our world would affect Coop's reproductive capability.
I think there is still room to salvage this relationship(even though there are huge problems which became abundantly clear after 10), but this is not guaranteed either: although she was very hesitant when saying 'good old karate chop', Janey E nevertheless said it and affirmed it. With the introduction of Cooper into Dougie and his gaining of the 'green light' Janey E will have to lessen control and accept Cooper's role in the world as agent of the law, etc.....Although I can just as easily see it falling apart, given that the implications of the ring being forced into Briggs by Mr. C et al. indicated that 'Janey E to Dougie' is oppressive to the law/Briggs in general so that Janey E will never cede control over to Dougie-Cooper's enhanced role, after all she got extra enjoyment from scolding Dougie and making sure he remains an idiot(punishment for his infidelities, which cannot be ignored either), taking him away from raising the son, and solving the 'payment in the park' herself....
But then again we might be seeing the rearrangement of the entire model of the sexual relationship(which is causing all of the disastrous relationships we saw in 10) through twin peaks unfolding(this might explain the detached E on Janey's name, not fully in the paternal law or feeling affronted by it like Candie(E attached) and thus not vengeful towards it or feeling the need to stop it or take it over).....Maybe Jerry Horne's reaction in the woods of 'you cannot trick me' was an overreaction on the male side who had been burnt by women before, thus discounting Janey E as another 'Jade', etc..... I guess we will see how it goes as Dougie begins to regain some of Mr. C's 'edge' and determination onto the side of the law....also interested to see here what emerges when they recombine(hopefully not a shallow 'synthesis', but something genuinely new from the old agent cooper who should not return imo, there are necessary reasons internal to old agent cooper why he failed and went mad, not simply a matter of an external lodge spirit...)
I hope 11 is our origin story for the Jones family.
I hope 11 is our origin story for the Jones family.
remember back to scene when Andy is questioning the guy and he agrees to meet him later... Andy says something about the meeting place being on the road "up near the Jones' old place"
(will re-watch to confirm, but I'm almost positive he said Jones) that's a pretty common name, but do we know of any other Jones families around Twin Peaks?
I hope 11 is our origin story for the Jones family.
remember back to scene when Andy is questioning the guy and he agrees to meet him later... Andy says something about the meeting place being on the road "up near the Jones' old place"
(will re-watch to confirm, but I'm almost positive he said Jones) that's a pretty common name, but do we know of any other Jones families around Twin Peaks?
Well, it was Bowie's real name.
I hope 11 is our origin story for the Jones family.
remember back to scene when Andy is questioning the guy and he agrees to meet him later... Andy says something about the meeting place being on the road "up near the Jones' old place"
(will re-watch to confirm, but I'm almost positive he said Jones) that's a pretty common name, but do we know of any other Jones families around Twin Peaks?
That 'logging road' is the one James and Donna went to to bury the half of Laura's necklace during the original pilot, where they also coupled by basking in the aura of Laura's corpse, they were together because Laura was dead holding them back, they had always liked each other, but Laura was in the way, etc., which of course was not true, they were only together because they both knew Laura and are still draining her without solving her problems, remember Donna complaining at Laura's grave, saying 'why do we have to solve your problems, etc.?', these two were rotten, evil.....Donna and James would not properly deal with Laura's death, fix the problems, treat it as a tragedy, but rather move on directly and 'marry into it', give cover for it so it wont be fixed, white surface covers black within....
Maybe the Logging road relates to Jones' in this way: the couple donna/james is metaphoric with dougie/Janey, also same letter, J is controlling one, d is controlled, etc......Janey is like a female James type of idea........, both these couple give cover to the horror Mr.C/billionaires et al have created in the world, the horror exposed to twin peaks with lauras death, which Bobby exposed at Lauras funeral, but the community was desperately trying to avoid in order to avoid fixing the problems and the exposing the uncomfortable truths along with it, so the 'spice can still flow' to the emperor Mr. C/billionaire
So Donna/James getting together at the expense of Laura's ghost is the origin of Dougie/Janey...white cover for black(making sure the problem is not solved, not about Laura, about Donna and James' fun, etc., which is dumped in one second for maddie btw), not confronting problems, sleepwalking, so the spice can flow to Jean Michel/Red/BOB et al.
And maybe this relates to the Andy-truck owner situation in the sense that instead of confronting the murder/problem head on, and thereby preventing it by going through the pain of actually solving the problem, admitting there is a problem in the core of the community and changing it, they opt to hide from it, represented by the guy making Andy leave because he fears Richard.....and this hiding from the problem, ignoring it, is what of course leads to the death, like when Laura never wanted anyone to help her because she feared BOB and that BOB would kill others.......no way around this, no meeting later on the logging road that is going to be able to cover over the atomic explosion(what donna and james tried to do after Lauras death), gotta confront it in all its tragedy and pain to give it the importance it deserves and not trivialize it, which is what Carl Rodd did with the dead child, which is why he can see the right path, unlike Becky and Steven
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