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Holy Wrong House Caemron, that just gave me a thought!  Thank you for remembering.

Donna took Cooper to a house where she expected to see the Tremonds but instead finds someone else.  Cooper takes Carrie/Laura to a house expecting to see Sarah Palmer and instead finds the Tremonds! 

 

As for the Chalfonts, Carl tells Desmond about them so Cooper would never have known  (I hope my memory is right)

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 2:44 pm
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

It's a bad joke comparing the Lodge waiting room to the MTV reality show Real World.  

I thought it was a funny image; those people going about their lives together.   

Oh ok. Don't know that show so still none the wiser lol

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 4:54 pm
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I disagree that Coop would forget details like names.Maybe in real life, but not on a show. Too important.

I think the names don't register because he hasn't heard them before.

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 5:00 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

I disagree that Coop would forget details like names.Maybe in real life, but not on a show. Too important.

I think the names don't register because he hasn't heard them before.

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

I think it's entirely possible he forgot names after all the brain scramble he's been through. His body DID just stick a fork in a light socket. Hell, just hours before he did that, he didn't remember how to do a lot of things, including shower.

And I don't think he ever would have heard the Chalfont name. And Tremond?  That was 25 years ago and in barely more than passing.  I wouldn't have remembered it either.

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 5:05 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

I disagree that Coop would forget details like names.Maybe in real life, but not on a show. Too important.

I think the names don't register because he hasn't heard them before.

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

I think it's entirely possible he forgot names after all the brain scramble he's been through. His body DID just stick a fork in a light socket. Hell, just hours before he did that, he didn't remember how to do a lot of things, including shower.

And I don't think he ever would have heard the Chalfont name. And Tremond?  That was 25 years ago and in barely more than passing.  I wouldn't have remembered it either.

But you're forgetting that as soon as he awoke from his coma he was "100%". He was back and quickly  started his quest, even stopping to give Janey e and Sonny Jim the new Dougie.

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 5:29 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader
Posted by: Brandy Fisher
Posted by: Julie Loader

I disagree that Coop would forget details like names.Maybe in real life, but not on a show. Too important.

I think the names don't register because he hasn't heard them before.

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

I think it's entirely possible he forgot names after all the brain scramble he's been through. His body DID just stick a fork in a light socket. Hell, just hours before he did that, he didn't remember how to do a lot of things, including shower.

And I don't think he ever would have heard the Chalfont name. And Tremond?  That was 25 years ago and in barely more than passing.  I wouldn't have remembered it either.

But you're forgetting that as soon as he awoke from his coma he was "100%". He was back and quickly  started his quest, even stopping to give Janey e and Sonny Jim the new Dougie.

But was he?  Was he really?

Or was he working on pure muscle memory and obsession?

 

AND.........................

he wasn't his usual Cooper self in Odessa and upon his arrival at the "not" Palmer house. There was some other serious $#!t going on in his brain once he woke up in the hotel.

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 6:11 pm
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher
Posted by: Julie Loader
Posted by: Brandy Fisher
Posted by: Julie Loader

I disagree that Coop would forget details like names.Maybe in real life, but not on a show. Too important.

I think the names don't register because he hasn't heard them before.

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

I think it's entirely possible he forgot names after all the brain scramble he's been through. His body DID just stick a fork in a light socket. Hell, just hours before he did that, he didn't remember how to do a lot of things, including shower.

And I don't think he ever would have heard the Chalfont name. And Tremond?  That was 25 years ago and in barely more than passing.  I wouldn't have remembered it either.

But you're forgetting that as soon as he awoke from his coma he was "100%". He was back and quickly  started his quest, even stopping to give Janey e and Sonny Jim the new Dougie.

But was he?  Was he really?

Or was he working on pure muscle memory and obsession?

 

AND.........................

he wasn't his usual Cooper self in Odessa and upon his arrival at the "not" Palmer house. There was some other serious $#!t going on in his brain once he woke up in the hotel.

Yeah he was, he said it "100%"

After crossing 430 and sex with Diane, however, yes he was somehat muddled

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 6:42 pm
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Just because he said he's 100 doesn't mean that he actually was.

And, he was something totally not 100 when he woke up in that hotel room.

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 7:27 pm
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Just because he said he's 100 doesn't mean that he actually was.

I respectfully disagree. 

 

And, he was something totally not 100 when he woke up in that hotel room.

I agree.

 

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 8:01 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

 

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

I think there's no way around him being in an alternate reality. 

Sarah lived there from at least 1989-2016ish, and it hardly seems like Laura and family had just moved in, so probably years earlier. 

After typical motel sex, I think we are encouraged to think the scenes are present day.  Present day fashion/clothing, present day logos (Valero logo 1990-present), cars, etc.  And also we learn that Sarah is a minimum of two owners back, and it doesn't appear that Alice just moved in either.  So it's either like 2030, or 1970,  or it's entirely elsewhere.     

 
Posted : 04/05/2018 11:06 pm
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty

  So it's either like 2030, or 1970,  or it's entirely elsewhere.     

Yep. Before filming The Return, the Twedes Cafe was closed few weeks (september 2015) and totally renewed for the TV series (including the outside painting and  the "RR 2 Go!" on the walls).

"RR 2 Go!" is seen in all the parts of The Return

RR01.jpg

Until the end of part 18 when Cooper and Carrie are coming back (?) in this town. (the "RR2GO!" letters were hidden by the prop guys in october 2015). 

 
Posted : 05/05/2018 3:18 am
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty
Posted by: Julie Loader

 

He's gone back too early..... Laura hasn't been murdered or gone missing yet and he hasn't  investigated anything.....? 

Can that work?

 

I think there's no way around him being in an alternate reality. 

Sarah lived there from at least 1989-2016ish, and it hardly seems like Laura and family had just moved in, so probably years earlier. 

After typical motel sex, I think we are encouraged to think the scenes are present day.  Present day fashion/clothing, present day logos (Valero logo 1990-present), cars, etc.  And also we learn that Sarah is a minimum of two owners back, and it doesn't appear that Alice just moved in either.  So it's either like 2030, or 1970,  or it's entirely elsewhere.     

I know but...... he doesn't ask "where are we" or "what reality is this"..... his only question is "what year is this?"

Could the Chalfonts and Tremonds have lived in the house, ever?

 
Posted : 05/05/2018 1:51 pm
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Posted by: Julie Loader

I know but...... he doesn't ask "where are we" or "what reality is this"..... his only question is "what year is this?"

 

That's a good point.  I can only guess at answers to that.  He does seem a little befuddled, unsteady; he may just be having a hard time processing what is going on, it's easier to question the year than the alternate reality.  Or he does have some insight and the year matters.  He may be grasping and trying to answer the question, "is it future, or is it past?" for lack of a better course forward in the moment. 

I like his question to be for the purpose of casting us all into confusion and a deeper skepticism about what we've just seen over the last 18 hours.  A further clue of space-time uncertainty, a deeper mystery. 

 
Posted : 05/05/2018 6:59 pm
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Posted by: Joseph McMurty
Posted by: Julie Loader

I know but...... he doesn't ask "where are we" or "what reality is this"..... his only question is "what year is this?"

 

That's a good point.  I can only guess at answers to that.  He does seem a little befuddled, unsteady; he may just be having a hard time processing what is going on, it's easier to question the year than the alternate reality.  Or he does have some insight and the year matters.  He may be grasping and trying to answer the question, "is it future, or is it past?" for lack of a better course forward in the moment. 

I like his question to be for the purpose of casting us all into confusion and a deeper skepticism about what we've just seen over the last 18 hours.  A further clue of space-time uncertainty, a deeper mystery. 

Also, think about how they withheld the year of the events of The Return from us all season. Cellphones and computers didn't display the date, for example, as they usually do in real life. Some of us got a bit obsessive about trying to figure it out. I latched on to Bill Hastings' age/birthdate as a concrete bit of evidence, but even there found others who wouldn't take it to be definitive. All of that leads up to this question: "What year is this?" - they were smart enough to know that many of us would have been asking that the whole damn time. 

Also, one might suggest that he knows that he has traveled to an alternate reality, with the 430 miles, etc. Thing is, he doesn't seem to be at the right point in that reality. Or something like that. 

 
Posted : 05/05/2018 7:22 pm
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I think Lynch perhaps used that dialogue as the last line just to keep us guessing.

The whole of the return was light on dialogue in important situations..... I mean, you would think Coop and Laura had a million questions to ask each other on that long trip, also Coop and Diane!

But that would be all to eady for us Peaks Freaks ☺

 
Posted : 06/05/2018 12:10 am
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