This is an interesting read from Brien Allen exploring the possibility: https://25yearslatersite.com/2018/06/15/i-need-you-to-make-another-one-an-unlikely-origin-of-douglas-jones/
With a shout-out to Julie for a FB comment that sparked the inspiration
I would be more inclined to consider this idea had MIKE not been so shocked and unthrilled when Dougie showed up in the waiting room.
Didn't he say "Somebody made you" in more of an accusation than a statement of fact? And why on earth would Briggs engage in these shenanigans?
Normally I'm pretty open to all possibilities, but I kinda wanna call bollocks on this one. I'll try reading it again because honestly it lost me about 1/2 way through. The writer really likes to see his words on paper.....
Oh goodness, I just scrolled all the way down to the bottom Notes/References.
No personal insult or attack intended. Just my opinion.
I don't know that I buy it, but it is something interesting to think about. I find Gerard's reaction to be more ambiguous, but, then I could say that with regard to anyone in the Lodge at any time; it's ambiguous.
I think Brien does a good job of exploring the possibility. The basic idea is that Dougie was originally more like Cooper, and was made to give Coop and entry point into reality, or something like that - perhaps Coop could even exert some influence on him. But then Mr. C started intervening to corrupt him. Maybe he was responsible for Dougie's car accident (if that really happened), such that Coop's connection to Dougie gets messed up. So the whole Cooper can't come through as planned.
Again, I don't know, but I do think putting pressure on the notion that Mr. C would have made Dougie in 1997, and how to explain the relationship with Janey-E and so on in line with such an account, is fair.
And, the obvious starting point of Cooper saying, "I need you to make another one" - it is easy to hear the implication in this line that he was involved in the making of the first one. Or maybe not. It's ambiguous 🙂
ambiguous 🙂
I think this is the key word.
And for a rarity, I think the writer is actually over-complicating things and making things unnecessarily muddy(er).
Again, my opinion.
This is an interesting read from Brien Allen exploring the possibility: https://25yearslatersite.com/2018/06/15/i-need-you-to-make-another-one-an-unlikely-origin-of-douglas-jones/
With a shout-out to Julie for a FB comment that sparked the inspiration
Well, I think it was well written. He expanded on my idea in an easy to understand way.
I am still sticking with this theory, btw ☺
If Coop needed Gerrard to "make another one", ie Coop didn't have the skills to, why would Mr C have the skills? He's just a doppleganger. Gerrard was helping Cooper all season 3, not Mr C. He wouldn't have made one for Mr C, IMHO .
Brandy, please don't keep bringing up the attacking thing, it was sorted out, leave it as that. All good with me, ok? ☺
If Coop needed Gerrard to "make another one", ie Coop didn't have the skills to, why would Mr C have the skills? He's just a doppleganger. Gerrard was helping Cooper all season 3, not Mr C. He wouldn't have made one for Mr C, IMHO .
That's interesting, yeah. Now I am wondering who made the Diane tulpa for Mr. C. She seems to indicate that he took her to the Dutchman's/Convenience Store...
At the same time, while "I need you to make another one" could imply that Gerard made the first one (for Dale), it could equally fit with someone else having made the Dougie tulpa; that is, Cooper could be saying, "You know that tulpa that x created to trick me so that I took his place instead of Mr. C's? I need you to make another one of those."
But, still, Cooper knows how the seed works, apparently, so...
Or, wait, I was forgetting something when I started this post. Mr. C has BOB with him; it's possible that this enables him to create the tulpas, I guess.
If Coop needed Gerrard to "make another one", ie Coop didn't have the skills to, why would Mr C have the skills? He's just a doppleganger. Gerrard was helping Cooper all season 3, not Mr C. He wouldn't have made one for Mr C, IMHO .
That's interesting, yeah. Now I am wondering who made the Diane tulpa for Mr. C. She seems to indicate that he took her to the Dutchman's/Convenience Store...
At the same time, while "I need you to make another one" could imply that Gerard made the first one (for Dale), it could equally fit with someone else having made the Dougie tulpa; that is, Cooper could be saying, "You know that tulpa that x created to trick me so that I took his place instead of Mr. C's? I need you to make another one of those."
But, still, Cooper knows how the seed works, apparently, so...
Or, wait, I was forgetting something when I started this post. Mr. C has BOB with him; it's possible that this enables him to create the tulpas, I guess.
And around and around we go......lol!
This is an interesting read from Brien Allen exploring the possibility: https://25yearslatersite.com/2018/06/15/i-need-you-to-make-another-one-an-unlikely-origin-of-douglas-jones/
With a shout-out to Julie for a FB comment that sparked the inspiration
Well, I think it was well written. He expanded on my idea in an easy to understand way.
I am still sticking with this theory, btw ☺
- If Coop needed Gerrard to "make another one", ie Coop didn't have the skills to, why would Mr C have the skills? He's just a doppleganger. Gerrard was helping Cooper all season 3, not Mr C. He wouldn't have made one for Mr C, IMHO .
Brandy, please don't keep bringing up the attacking thing, it was sorted out, leave it as that. All good with me, ok? ☺
Just wanted to make sure. ?
And it would have been BOB or the doppel-arm.
This is an interesting read from Brien Allen exploring the possibility: https://25yearslatersite.com/2018/06/15/i-need-you-to-make-another-one-an-unlikely-origin-of-douglas-jones/
With a shout-out to Julie for a FB comment that sparked the inspiration
Well, I think it was well written. He expanded on my idea in an easy to understand way.
I am still sticking with this theory, btw ☺
- If Coop needed Gerrard to "make another one", ie Coop didn't have the skills to, why would Mr C have the skills? He's just a doppleganger. Gerrard was helping Cooper all season 3, not Mr C. He wouldn't have made one for Mr C, IMHO .
Brandy, please don't keep bringing up the attacking thing, it was sorted out, leave it as that. All good with me, ok? ☺
Just wanted to make sure. ?
Ok ☺
And it would have been BOB or the doppel-arm.
Not sure what you mean?
Well I meant to say "could" have been BOB or doppel-arm who had the technology and means to make or help make Dougie-tulpa.
Well I meant to say "could" have been BOB or doppel-arm who had the technology and means to make or help make Dougie-tulpa.
Or maybe a Woodsman? Jumping Man? Jeffries?!
Alas, the idea that BOB enables him to do it is probably the simplest
Well I meant to say "could" have been BOB or doppel-arm who had the technology and means to make or help make Dougie-tulpa.
Or maybe a Woodsman? Jumping Man? Jeffries?!
Alas, the idea that BOB enables him to do it is probably the simplest
Ah yes, of course any of those. I was wracking my brain trying to think of who else was behind the curtain and all I could think of was Michael C Anderson.....he seems like he might be evil enough to do it.
I love the idea of the woodsmen. Totally seems like their bag.
I think this article is mostly correct: it was Good Dale, not Bad Dale, who manufactured Dougie. Throughout Season 3, both Dales are executing contingency plans developed during the 25 year hiatus. Bad Dale's plans are more effective and far-reaching because Good Dale is forced to do "remedial coursework" while Bad Dale is free to travel through tunnels and Lodges, increasing his power.
The article overlooks or oversimplifies a few things, in my opinion.
1) I think the backstory of gradual corruption by Tony makes sense, but it's important to remember that Good Dale and Bad Dale represent "pure types" that rarely occur in nature. They seem to be exceptions that prove the rule: people are a mixture of good and bad impulses, and if weird Lodge shit is a part of your life, you're likely to indulge vices that provide temporary relief but obscure the unsettling clarity that weird Lodge shit provides. The template for this downward spiral can be seen in Laura Palmer and Teresa Banks. It's important to note, however, that both Teresa Banks and Laura Palmer resist Bob successfully. That allows Mike to claim them, which is why the left arm goes numb. Dougie's left arm is numb before he is exchanged for Dale.
2) The article correctly points out that neither Good Dale nor Bad Dale has been passive during the 25-year hiatus. That's how Good Dale knows about Freddie Sykes and the key to Room #315. I'd like to add a little more detail to this picture. I think that Good Dale and Bad Dale have spent the hiatus traveling through hallways and visiting Lodges. Good Dale says that Garland Briggs told him that Sheriff Truman would have the key. I believe this occurred in a Lodge sometime after Briggs' death. The benefits of Good Dale's travels are limited due to his setback at the end of Season 2: he needs help/clues simply to get back to where he was before. Bad Dale is not hampered in the same way, so he is able to travel freely and "strongarm" his way into various Lodges, bending them to his will and acquiring helpers in the process. The template for this can be seen in his takeover of The Farm. I don't believe Bad Dale is the "anonymous billionaire" behind the NYC meeting place (if such a person even exists). Rather, I believe he came across the NYC meeting place while traveling and likely manipulated its owner(s) into doing his bidding.
I think this article is mostly correct: it was Good Dale, not Bad Dale, who manufactured Dougie. Throughout Season 3, both Dales are executing contingency plans developed during the 25 year hiatus. Bad Dale's plans are more effective and far-reaching because Good Dale is forced to do "remedial coursework" while Bad Dale is free to travel through tunnels and Lodges, increasing his power.
The article overlooks or oversimplifies a few things, in my opinion.
1) I think the backstory of gradual corruption by Tony makes sense, but it's important to remember that Good Dale and Bad Dale represent "pure types" that rarely occur in nature. They seem to be exceptions that prove the rule: people are a mixture of good and bad impulses, and if weird Lodge shit is a part of your life, you're likely to indulge vices that provide temporary relief but obscure the unsettling clarity that weird Lodge shit provides. The template for this downward spiral can be seen in Laura Palmer and Teresa Banks. It's important to note, however, that both Teresa Banks and Laura Palmer resist Bob successfully. That allows Mike to claim them, which is why the left arm goes numb. Dougie's left arm is numb before he is exchanged for Dale.
2) The article correctly points out that neither Good Dale nor Bad Dale has been passive during the 25-year hiatus. That's how Good Dale knows about Freddie Sykes and the key to Room #315. I'd like to add a little more detail to this picture. I think that Good Dale and Bad Dale have spent the hiatus traveling through hallways and visiting Lodges. Good Dale says that Garland Briggs told him that Sheriff Truman would have the key. I believe this occurred in a Lodge sometime after Briggs' death. The benefits of Good Dale's travels are limited due to his setback at the end of Season 2: he needs help/clues simply to get back to where he was before. Bad Dale is not hampered in the same way, so he is able to travel freely and "strongarm" his way into various Lodges, bending them to his will and acquiring helpers in the process. The template for this can be seen in his takeover of The Farm. I don't believe Bad Dale is the "anonymous billionaire" behind the NYC meeting place (if such a person even exists). Rather, I believe he came across the NYC meeting place while traveling and likely manipulated its owner(s) into doing his bidding.
Nice!
I think Gerrard would have been Coops go-between while in the lodge as we see him visualise in front of Dougie.
Yes, the numb left atm of tilpa Dougie seals it for me!
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