Well, now complete discussion about the difference (or no difference at all) between tulpas and doppelgangers. Mr C is a doppel.  Is a doppel always a tulpa? Is a tulpa the same thing as a doppelganger?

Let the Lynch brain scramble commence.

You are always worth every letter you type...unfortunately 26 letters scrambled into a quiche does not make for qood cuisine.  I guess we are all here to make our own breakfast, unfortunately I am allergic to eggs...

I guess that explains everything.

I think it is pretty clear that there is a distinction between tulpa and doppelganger. The Final Dossier bolsters this.

My reading is that Mr. C is a doppelganger - he is the dark half/shadow self/id of Cooper. I think this corresponds to what Hawk refers to as the dweller on the threshold. We also see doppelgangers of Laura, Leland, and the Arm at the end of season 2. The implication to me is that entering the Lodge creates this kind of split in the self, or something like that.

There are only three confirmed tulpas: 1) Dougie Jones (the OGD - before Cooper takes his place); 2) Diane; and 3) the new Dougie Jones that Cooper has Gerard make. Of course, it is Tammy who uses the word tulpa, but it fits for me, as in distinction from being a doppelganger. The OGD and Diane are both told by Gerard that they were manufactured, etc.

It is not clear whether Lois Duffy killed her doppelganger, or vice versa, or if this was a tulpa of her as opposed to a doppelganger.

The Naido/Diane relation seems like maybe another thing, but could be related to this. 

One thing I think about is how there does not tend to be straightforward consistency with this stuff. There is repetition, but with difference. Always a difference in each repetition... OK, I will avoid getting too Deleuzean on you 🙂

To go back to the original post here, though, I don't understand the question in (4) - ?

Tulpas seem to have the tendency to be yanked back to the lodge. Also they reduce to a seed. 

We see Diane get the hook, and that whole sequence strangely showed no bullet strikes on her body or behind her.  Don't know what that means. 

Dougie the First gets pulled in instead of Mr. C during the electrical outlet switcheroo.  Of course Dougie was wearing the jade ring at the time which also seems to transport a body to the lodge.   Have we ever discussed how he came to have that?  Probably.  And the Lois Duffy story has her transported away - we might imagine to the lodge.  Dougie turns into a seed, so I would say confirmed tulpa.   

Doppelgangers usually have a color change.  The eyes for people, and the Arm turned yellow.  Not true for Mr C, but it was true back in season 2.  We only ever see one doppelganger get wounded.  Mr. C was shot on two occasions, once resurrected by the woodsmen, and only later when the jade ring was placed on his hand that he finally made it back to the lodge.  And he didn't reduce to a seed, he burned.   

While we're talking here, why did The Arm pop up and want Dougie to rip Ike's hand off?  What's his interest in all that?  

Last comment:  I think the thing with a doppelganger is that it is only supposed to walk the earth if the other half is in the lodge.  We don't see anyone's original and doppelganger at the same time except for Coop, and it took some trickery for them to both be out of the lodge.  Naido is Diane, but masked.  She and Diane both occupied space in the world at the same time, same with Duffy, so a tulpa can cohabitate.  Is there any other example of a masked person like that?         

Question #4:  I wouldn't have thought that a seed 'belonged' to anybody.  The seed is the origin and can become someone, it isn't made from someone.  But that's an interpretation, of course.  

Posted by: Joseph McMurty

Tulpas seem to have the tendency to be yanked back to the lodge. Also they reduce to a seed. 

We see Diane get the hook, and that whole sequence strangely showed no bullet strikes on her body or behind her.  Don't know what that means. 

Dougie the First gets pulled in instead of Mr. C during the electrical outlet switcheroo.  Of course Dougie was wearing the jade ring at the time which also seems to transport a body to the lodge.   Have we ever discussed how he came to have that?  Probably.  And the Lois Duffy story has her transported away - we might imagine to the lodge.  Dougie turns into a seed, so I would say confirmed tulpa.   

Yeah, so, did Lois "disappear" because she was a tulpa, or because she maybe had the ring on her finger?

Doppelgangers usually have a color change.  The eyes for people, and the Arm turned yellow.  Not true for Mr C, but it was true back in season 2.  We only ever see one doppelganger get wounded.  Mr. C was shot on two occasions, once resurrected by the woodsmen, and only later when the jade ring was placed on his hand that he finally made it back to the lodge.  And he didn't reduce to a seed, he burned.   

Mr. C has the white eyes again when he was burning in the Lodge.

While we're talking here, why did The Arm pop up and want Dougie to rip Ike's hand off?  What's his interest in all that?  

It's a good question. Why were the Arm and Gerard helping him?

Last comment:  I think the thing with a doppelganger is that it is only supposed to walk the earth if the other half is in the lodge.  We don't see anyone's original and doppelganger at the same time except for Coop, and it took some trickery for them to both be out of the lodge.  Naido is Diane, but masked.  She and Diane both occupied space in the world at the same time, same with Duffy, so a tulpa can cohabitate.  Is there any other example of a masked person like that?         

But Coop and Mr. C were in the world at the same time. Trickery, sure, but can we be confident there was no similar trickery with Lois Duffy? What's up with the scene switching between Annie and Caroline?

Question #4:  I wouldn't have thought that a seed 'belonged' to anybody.  The seed is the origin and can become someone, it isn't made from someone.  But that's an interpretation, of course.  

This seems right to me. You have to combine the seed with a person's DNA to make a tulpa of that person, or something like that. But, then, Coop asks, "Do you have the seed?" - so maybe there is something more particular about the seeds. If so, though, the answer to #4 would clearly have to be that it is the Diane seed, no? I still don't get the question...

But Coop and Mr. C were in the world at the same time. Trickery, sure, but can we be confident there was no similar trickery with Lois Duffy? What's up with the scene switching between Annie and Caroline?

Oh, snap.  Good question(s).  

You're right about every instance being slightly different so there's no way to be confident of a pattern.  Tulpa with ring, tulpa no ring, doppel no ring, son of doppel at fake coordinates...etc. Column of flame out of the crown of the head vs fully consumed by fire...   

And what is Ronnette doing in the purple place?  With Naido, or just quickly fills the void?  Does that make her a lodger, a tulpa, a diety like the Fireman and Señorita Dido (my own word here), or just a girl with bum luck?

Yeah, so, did Lois "disappear" because she was a tulpa, or because she maybe had the ring on her finger   

Nobody else ever disappeared simply because of the ring.  Possibly Laura at the end there, but that would be weirdly contrived.  It's only when dying and wearing it. Except Dougie *damn*.  Did Lois kill herself after gunning the tulpa down?  I'll have to go listen to Albert again. 

Leland did freak the geek out when Laura picked up the ring in the boxcar though, like it was then forced upon him to actually kill her.  Bob's orders?  Because then he could claim her for the lodge perhaps. 

Leland made it to the lodge even without the ring.  Craphammock!  No rhyme or reason to this.  Same with Gerard, though he does have the ring.  Does Sarah go to the lodge too then?   And does the Mike/Phillip Gerard relationship count as a tulpa?  Or more "inhabited", like Sarah?  Can a tulpa inhabit the summoner?  Do they ever not?  Hmmm..... 

We can all appreciate sheriff Truman's hat jump though. And Michael Jackson taking his talents to Twin Peaks.  Annie are you OK?  Did Nadine's head injury compel her to become her own tulpa?  I hope one day to be seated next to DL on an airplane.  A nice long flight. 

Posted by: Brandy Fisher

Well, now complete discussion about the difference (or no difference at all) between tulpas and doppelgangers. Mr C is a doppel.  Is a doppel always a tulpa? Is a tulpa the same thing as a doppelganger?

 

Let the Lynch brain scramble commence.

Which one ?

Posted by: Joseph McMurty

But Coop and Mr. C were in the world at the same time. Trickery, sure, but can we be confident there was no similar trickery with Lois Duffy? What's up with the scene switching between Annie and Caroline?

Oh, snap.  Good question(s).  

You're right about every instance being slightly different so there's no way to be confident of a pattern.  Tulpa with ring, tulpa no ring, doppel no ring, son of doppel at fake coordinates...etc. Column of flame out of the crown of the head vs fully consumed by fire...   

And what is Ronnette doing in the purple place?  With Naido, or just quickly fills the void?  Does that make her a lodger, a tulpa, a diety like the Fireman and Señorita Dido (my own word here), or just a girl with bum luck?

Yeah, so, did Lois "disappear" because she was a tulpa, or because she maybe had the ring on her finger   

Nobody else ever disappeared simply because of the ring.  Possibly Laura at the end there, but that would be weirdly contrived.  It's only when dying and wearing it. Except Dougie *damn*.  Did Lois kill herself after gunning the tulpa down?  I'll have to go listen to Albert again. 

Leland did freak the geek out when Laura picked up the ring in the boxcar though, like it was then forced upon him to actually kill her.  Bob's orders?  Because then he could claim her for the lodge perhaps. 

Leland made it to the lodge even without the ring.  Craphammock!  No rhyme or reason to this.  Same with Gerard, though he does have the ring.  Does Sarah go to the lodge too then?   And does the Mike/Phillip Gerard relationship count as a tulpa?  Or more "inhabited", like Sarah?  Can a tulpa inhabit the summoner?  Do they ever not?  Hmmm..... 

We can all appreciate sheriff Truman's hat jump though. And Michael Jackson taking his talents to Twin Peaks.  Annie are you OK?  Did Nadine's head injury compel her to become her own tulpa?  I hope one day to be seated next to DL on an airplane.  A nice long flight. 

Oh snap is right!

Long flight.....would you engage in meaningful convo or would you just try to confuse and agitate him for 18 straight hours? Upon deboarding, looking at a drained and broken Lynch, yes "Jeffries was too a tea kettle!"

Ray disappeared because he was wearing the ring, did he not? We saw his body in the lodge... (Also weird: it seemed to be his dead body in the lodge, which differs from basically everyone else)

Albert says that Cole and Jeffries busted in to see Lois Duffy disappear after having been shot by another Lois Duffy. Then, the surviving Lois Duffy killed herself a bit later. So, we don't know which Lois died in the motel, and which later, or if this was a doppelganger situation or a tulpa situation, or if the jade ring was involved. 

I tend to think the ring was involved, because we need some way for Teresa Banks to be a Blue Rose case in the first place, and if Cole already knew about the ring that would be a way to think about that. 

And how did Dougie (the OGD) get the ring? Did Mr. C give it to him? Why would he do that? Did anyone notice? Why didn't Janey-E notice that his wedding ring was missing? How did that ring end up in Briggs' stomach? Are these questions related to one another?

Oh snap is right!

Long flight.....would you engage in meaningful convo or would you just try to confuse and agitate him for 18 straight hours? Upon deboarding, looking at a drained and broken Lynch, yes "Jeffries was too a tea kettle!"

Naturally I would regale him with the first two seasons of my fan fiction scripts.  Because who wouldn't like that?