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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

Something I've read in the last issue of "Blue Rose" magazine.

Remember, the conversation begins with "That's because you're hanging out at the nuthouse."

When Megan says that the name of is mother is Tina, there is "an ominous music".

(for the author of the article this music and the "nuthouse" are directly connected to the real condition of Audrey. Tina is Audrey. In Audrey's dreams). 

Listen to the sound (this short video is maybe restricted on some devices by CBS) :

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgzUDufvvgA

The Roadhouse is peculiar this season.  It seems like an anchor or maybe a pivot point for all the realities and timelines.  We seem to always end up there, in what is portrayed as the current timeline and our reality in every episode but 8 and Audrey's.  We can go into detail forever on Episode 8 but nin exists in our world at our time and this version of the band is current along with the song.  Audrey' keeps trying to re-introduce herself to the Twin Peaks reality by inserting herself in the Roadhouse as it is the anchor point.  Only it didn't work out the way she wanted so woosh, she was pulled back to her actual reality, which is still up for debate and further examination.  

Otherwise, no matter where or when we found ourselves in the story, we were always swept back to the Roadhouse in the here and now.  Only the Roadhouse doesn't exist in our reality, it only exists in the Twin Peaks reality so basically we are straddling the fence when we are taken there.

I keep going back to this anchor point, did it tell us so much more than we realized at the time?

 

P.S. I drove past the Los Angeles Roadhouse yesterday, it was fully functioning like a restaurant bar with the obvious alterations to the decor to try and match the show.  Not sure what they are trying to accomplish but I don't think I will make it inside unless they extend it past the 1st

 

 
Posted : 31/12/2017 1:10 am
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Bump!

When I have time my plan is to put together a relationship graph of all the Billy, Tina etc mentions. Cos,you know - that's what you do.

 
Posted : 05/08/2018 8:01 am
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I still think about this a lot and I'm excited to be revisiting!

 
Posted : 05/08/2018 4:27 pm
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Well don't forget the guy at the trailer lot who was called Bill. No one ever noticed him much. Never really saw his face very well. I think he just gave someone a ride.

 
Posted : 05/08/2018 10:04 pm
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Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe

Well don't forget the guy at the trailer lot who was called Bill. No one ever noticed him much. Never really saw his face very well. I think he just gave someone a ride.

He is appearing twice in The Return (part 6 & 11).

And he is not credited at the end of both episodes. Strange.

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Posted : 06/08/2018 4:51 am
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On that note (of Bill being missing from credits), in trying to complete this relationship chart (i did some work on it yesterday), it's become apparent that what's really interesting is how many people who are mentioned in these various vignettes aren't actually seen in the series - they're just mentioned by name or inferred.

Billy

Megan's uncle. 

Linda (at least the linda that Micky was married to).

Paul

Paula

Tina

So we're focussing on Billy - who is he? - but I now think that's the wrong question to ask. To me it seems like many of the names are parallels of existing characters. 

Anyway - there's lots more to think about now than simply "who is Billy". Interestingly in my WIP spreadsheet thingie, I ended up adding Red to it, because he seems to link together Megan's drug usage. Bit of a tangent there...

 

 
Posted : 06/08/2018 10:30 am
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There is so little information about most of these minor characters that it's really hard to nail down what many of them were really about.

 
Posted : 06/08/2018 3:04 pm
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I know. But since it is so hard to solve the Bille mystery, it seems like any of the scraps could be related somehow. I do hope there is some light at the end of this tunnel!

 
Posted : 06/08/2018 3:25 pm
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I'd forgotten but Audrey said that Billy hated the Roadhouse. 

You'd think a fence jumping bleed-o would appreciate the local pub.

the clues are not what they seem. 

 
Posted : 08/08/2018 1:20 am
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This likely has nothing to do with it, but I finished the season 2 finale last night and Pete's truck is stolen by Windom Earle, which made me think of the while truck stolen thing. 

Not that I'm saying Pete is Billy, but there's a related parallel. #justsaying

 
Posted : 08/08/2018 12:35 pm
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Posted : 08/08/2018 12:35 pm
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Now I've started re watching The Return, I'm starting to feel like there may not even be a Billy mystery; it is merely one of a whole.

In the first three episodes alone we have numerous, suspect references to people (from various characters) who we never see on screen, even before the Billy debacle. Just an example include:

Martha
Paul
(Cole's discussion with colleague)

Linda
(Carl Rodd and co)

Harvey
Chip
(The maintenance guy from Buckhorn on the phone)

This is just an example and I'm sure there are more.

Then there's the Congressman's Dilemma, which is a whole "who done it" scene in itself. I've seen several theories online about this relating to the Polish Accountant, but I'm not convinced because why would he be a matter of national security? It's of a similar vibe to all the other character mysteries however. So it's relevant.

So I'm not sure if chasing the "Who is Billy" question is basically a dead end. I wonder if these similar vignettes basically refer to one of the following:

Lynch and Frost introduced all these characters in a unique film style to show the breadth of dramas that everyone (everywhere) is involved with.

Many of the names in the "mystery" overlap with one another and share the same or similar names. Is this just a rebelling against filmakers typically giving characters a unique name so as to avoid confusion? Or does it point to the Odessa reality where we learn of Richard and Linda, and it is merely a precursor to the idea of alternate identities? If Richard becomes Cooper and Linda becomes Diane, are other names referring to other characters we know of?

Something I have noticed is that during these random character reference scenes, the actors typically exhibit a relaxed, low key acting style. Very dreamy. Almost like Lynch has said "ok guys, calm down the acting skills - act like you're acting, ok?". So it's almost like we're being shown a different "state" of mind when these vignettes play out. This makes me think of the drugs scene with Red and Richard, and the scene with Megan, who takes drugs (and borrowed Paula's sweater!). Plus the dreamy scenes at the roadhouse at the end of each episode.

So at the moment I'm not so sure there is an obvious answer, because if there is one it's likely to be more of a nod from the writers as to a greater understanding/backdrop to the meaning of The Return. Which may not ever be voiced by Lynch or Frost.

Also, in the immortal words of Douglas Adams, you can't have an answer without a question. What is the question?
"Who is Billy" is obviously a question, but it's potentially one that can't be answered. He's a lover of Tina and Audrey - now there's an answer that sticks. Who also is Martha, Paula, (wheelchair) Linda, Paul (both north pole Paul and Paul who can pay Charlie a visit)?

When you want to solve a mystery you need to have a cause/problem/event that needs solving. And I don't see an obvious one here that you can work backwards to solve, only a set of stories that sometimes intermingle, sometimes don't. But because we've not been told what needs solving (we've never been asked by the series who Billy is, because we've been told who he is already), there's not really anything to be solved. If there is a mystery, for me now it's "what is the meaning of all of these random character names and why do they mix and match? I think Billy is a dead end, part of the wider network of rabbit holes.

IMVHO!

As an after thought, the only thing that springs to mind is that the Congressman's Dilemma could be a key for working out such scenes. If the key is to use word association on names and events, this could have some kind of hidden message. But I'm terrible at word association (even though I studied semiotics at college). So I'll leave someone else who has the time and inclination to give that a go 😀

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Posted : 23/08/2018 3:49 am
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I've been wondering if  Billy is a member of "trouble" or another band? Bing  is looking for him and he hates the roadhouse  (as a gig?).

 

I'm intrigued with the idea that Charliw could be the uncle that may or may not have been in Megan and Tinas kitchen....

 
Posted : 28/08/2018 6:03 am
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I see the whole plot and name-dropping scenes mentioning Billy as a mockery of this kind of conversation we're having. But maybe I'm wrong.

 
Posted : 28/08/2018 9:19 am
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Posted by: Julie Loader

I've been wondering if  Billy is a member of "trouble" or another band? Bing  is looking for him and he hates the roadhouse  (as a gig?).

 

I'm intrigued with the idea that Charliw could be the uncle that may or may not have been in Megan and Tinas kitchen....

Wouldn't that make Charlie Tina's brother?

 
Posted : 28/08/2018 10:15 am
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