Now, you think about that ,Tammy!
Is that from Mark Frost's reddit ama? That's a good read.
Yes it is and thank you for the link!
The other BIG revelation from him is : "time travel doesn't occur till the end of the series, and only to one person"
!!!!!!!!
I can see how time travel only occurs to one person, Cooper who goes back in time (although sometimes I wonder if he was always the lurker in the woods that Laura screamed at). So that part makes sense. Who else would have traveled through time?
Jefferies, Briggs, Laura
No, not really. Crossing dimensions or realities isn't the same as time travelling. Briggs never went back in time that I recall. Nor did Laura. If I am incorrect in this, please provide examples.
Now, an argument for Jeffires could be made except that a crucial part to this argument was left to the cutting room floor.
It certainly seems like there's a lot more cases of timelines altering than actual time travel. And of course there's a big dimension jump in part 18. I still wonder though if the last time we see Coop in the red room, and he exits to see Diane waiting, whether that is a different timeline to what has gone before.
Now, you think about that ,Tammy!
Is that from Mark Frost's reddit ama? That's a good read.
Yes it is and thank you for the link!
The other BIG revelation from him is : "time travel doesn't occur till the end of the series, and only to one person"
!!!!!!!!
I can see how time travel only occurs to one person, Cooper who goes back in time (although sometimes I wonder if he was always the lurker in the woods that Laura screamed at). So that part makes sense. Who else would have traveled through time?
Jefferies, Briggs, Laura
No, not really. Crossing dimensions or realities isn't the same as time travelling. Briggs never went back in time that I recall. Nor did Laura. If I am incorrect in this, please provide examples.
Now, an argument for Jeffires could be made except that a crucial part to this argument was left to the cutting room floor.
Jefferies : well we know for certain that he has before because we were shown it in FWWM, so entirely plausible for him to still do it. He also is the one who enables Cooper to do it.
Briggs. He has left fingerprints all over the place in th e past 25 years , yet his body (and head) haven't aged.
Laura. She has not been killed and just missing, perhaps sent to Odessa, perhaps not, but may have time travelled at some stage.
Just musings.
Jefferies : well we know for certain that he has before because we were shown it in FWWM, so entirely plausible for him to still do it. He also is the one who enables Cooper to do it.
Briggs. He has left fingerprints all over the place in th e past 25 years , yet his body (and head) haven't aged.
Laura. She has not been killed and just missing, perhaps sent to Odessa, perhaps not, but may have time travelled at some stage.
Just musings.
**For the sake of debate and not an attack. **
Perhaps the definitions of time travel are different. I define it by what Cooper did when he travelled back through time to change the past, went to an already existing point in a timeline.
Laura did not travel in time. Her past was altered for her, and we don't know if Carrie is even "Laura." No time travel of any sort there.
Briggs left his finger prints along a forward, linear timeline, kind of like he stepped out of a dimension now and then to make smudgy little finger marks for whatever reason. Time most likely moved differently in whichever "dimension" he was spending the majority of his time, thus why his headless body was the body of a man in his 40s. But I wouldn't call what he did time travel than I would call what any of us do from day to day or moment to moment, time travel.
Jeffries, well, he stepped out of time and space as we know it, went forward and stopped by the FBI office to say hi. This could have been the same thing as what Briggs did, stepped into another dimension where time moves differently, then steps out at a different place and time. The argument for Jeffries time travel comes from the missing pieces when he arrives BACK in Argentina close to the same time he left.
However, to me, this is more stepping/straying off the path, like walking down a city sidewalk, stepping briefly into a shoppe of some sort to look around, then returning to the same point of the sidewalk, but with like wormholes and dimensional gaps and fluctuations to the space time continuum. ? However, I may be too "semantical" about this one.
Jefferies : well we know for certain that he has before because we were shown it in FWWM, so entirely plausible for him to still do it. He also is the one who enables Cooper to do it.
Briggs. He has left fingerprints all over the place in th e past 25 years , yet his body (and head) haven't aged.
Laura. She has not been killed and just missing, perhaps sent to Odessa, perhaps not, but may have time travelled at some stage.
Just musings.
**For the sake of debate and not an attack. **
Perhaps the definitions of time travel are different. I define it by what Cooper did when he travelled back through time to change the past, went to an already existing point in a timeline.
Laura did not travel in time. Her past was altered for her, and we don't know if Carrie is even "Laura." No time travel of any sort there.
Briggs left his finger prints along a forward, linear timeline, kind of like he stepped out of a dimension now and then to make smudgy little finger marks for whatever reason. Time most likely moved differently in whichever "dimension" he was spending the majority of his time, thus why his headless body was the body of a man in his 40s. But I wouldn't call what he did time travel than I would call what any of us do from day to day or moment to moment, time travel.
Jeffries, well, he stepped out of time and space as we know it, went forward and stopped by the FBI office to say hi. This could have been the same thing as what Briggs did, stepped into another dimension where time moves differently, then steps out at a different place and time. The argument for Jeffries time travel comes from the missing pieces when he arrives BACK in Argentina close to the same time he left.
However, to me, this is more stepping/straying off the path, like walking down a city sidewalk, stepping briefly into a shoppe of some sort to look around, then returning to the same point of the sidewalk, but with like wormholes and dimensional gaps and fluctuations to the space time continuum. ? However, I may be too "semantical" about this one.
Jeffries' experience I would say is time travel of a sort, depending on what year it was in Argentina prior to him turning up in Philly 89.
Briggs is a different kettle of fish. I agree with Brandy that the way time passes in whatever dimension (let's call it fireman dimension for ease of reference) Briggs is hiding in moves slower that it does in Twin Peaks' reality. But to Briggs, as the observer, the passage of time probably feels the same, even if his body doesn't age (perception coming from the mind).
If I read this right and understood it properly when I read it yesterday, this article as linked to on the search for the zone website may provide an answer to Briggs: density as a dimension, and the difference in such between two dimensions
http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm
Well, forward in time, but we all do that.
(oops, missed a page)
Episode 18
Just as Cooper is pulled up outside Judys diner there is the sounds of birds tweeting....
Where we're from the birds sing a pretty song....
Episode 18
Just as Cooper is pulled up outside Judys diner there is the sounds of birds tweeting....
Where we're from the birds sing a pretty song....
Was it Cooper or Richard ?
Richard and Linda, two birds, one stone
Episode 18
Just as Cooper is pulled up outside Judys diner there is the sounds of birds tweeting....
Where we're from the birds sing a pretty song....
Was it Cooper or Richard ?
Richard and Linda, two birds, one stone
Cooper
Jefferies : well we know for certain that he has before because we were shown it in FWWM, so entirely plausible for him to still do it. He also is the one who enables Cooper to do it.
Briggs. He has left fingerprints all over the place in th e past 25 years , yet his body (and head) haven't aged.
Laura. She has not been killed and just missing, perhaps sent to Odessa, perhaps not, but may have time travelled at some stage.
Just musings.
**For the sake of debate and not an attack. **
Perhaps the definitions of time travel are different. I define it by what Cooper did when he travelled back through time to change the past, went to an already existing point in a timeline.
Laura did not travel in time. Her past was altered for her, and we don't know if Carrie is even "Laura." No time travel of any sort there.
Briggs left his finger prints along a forward, linear timeline, kind of like he stepped out of a dimension now and then to make smudgy little finger marks for whatever reason. Time most likely moved differently in whichever "dimension" he was spending the majority of his time, thus why his headless body was the body of a man in his 40s. But I wouldn't call what he did time travel than I would call what any of us do from day to day or moment to moment, time travel.
Jeffries, well, he stepped out of time and space as we know it, went forward and stopped by the FBI office to say hi. This could have been the same thing as what Briggs did, stepped into another dimension where time moves differently, then steps out at a different place and time. The argument for Jeffries time travel comes from the missing pieces when he arrives BACK in Argentina close to the same time he left.
However, to me, this is more stepping/straying off the path, like walking down a city sidewalk, stepping briefly into a shoppe of some sort to look around, then returning to the same point of the sidewalk, but with like wormholes and dimensional gaps and fluctuations to the space time continuum. ? However, I may be too "semantical" about this one.
Jeffries' experience I would say is time travel of a sort, depending on what year it was in Argentina prior to him turning up in Philly 89.
Briggs is a different kettle of fish. I agree with Brandy that the way time passes in whatever dimension (let's call it fireman dimension for ease of reference) Briggs is hiding in moves slower that it does in Twin Peaks' reality. But to Briggs, as the observer, the passage of time probably feels the same, even if his body doesn't age (perception coming from the mind).
If I read this right and understood it properly when I read it yesterday, this article as linked to on the search for the zone website may provide an answer to Briggs: density as a dimension, and the difference in such between two dimensions
http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm
Nice! I understand about 1/9 of that article but what I do understand + this makes sense. It's sort of like the effect that's discussed with two twins - one in a spaceship that leaves earth and moving towards the speed of light in space and returns, to find his twin excessively aged once he arrives back at earth.
Re: the Mark Frost quote - the first time I read it (and now) I really believe that he was referring to events specifically in Season 3. I.e., I don't think he was talking about time travel as it relates to any prior season or FWWM (could totally be wrong).
Also - am I remembering this correctly? Doesn't Briggs re-appear after going missing in the woods (presumably having gone to the White Lodge) wearing a WWII era flight suit? .
Edit: referring to the original series
Yeah, there were bits of the article that sailed past me I have to admit, but I got the gist on a layman's level, and I think your example is spot on. Which would suggest the lodges themselves exist in another dimension entirely (not a big leap to reach that conclusion, I know).
Was he wearing a WWII flight suit? I don't remember that but there are lots of things I don't seem to remember.
Yes he is wearing a pilot suit.
But it seems to me that the suit is older than WWII.
Look at the long leather vest and the trousers. And even the goggles.
Typical of WW I or Charles Lindbergh 20's era. (the white scarf was weared in WWI for the first time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAtU7csI25k
An american pilot in french "Armée de l'air", 1918 :
Did they ever really explain what Briggs experienced during his disappearence? I only rewatched TOS a couple of months ago, but my mind's a blank
Might have been time travel but I took it as he lost his damn mind and was acting all crazy-like. ?
Fire walk with