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(@dobbshead)
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It kinda makes sense to me that he would put his current world to rights before traveling back and fiddle with the machinations of time.  It's not too far fetched to wonder if the current reality would just disappear/never-have-happened, or would the Jones family continue on living without interruption from their point of view.

Meanwhile this Yakima bastard is trying to ease his own discontent with the past and it's best not leave too many steaming piles scattered in time, so do the right thing on your way out the door, no? 

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 2:04 am
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

I don't think Cooper quite understood the ramifications of his actions.

This is Special Agent Dale Cooper we're talking about, a 100% awake Special Agent Dale Cooper, I cannot believe that he did not fully consider and understand the ramifications of his actions.

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 3:12 am
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Someone had watched the TV series "11/22/63" two years ago ?

It's a time travel TV series (from a Stephen King novel) where the hero is trying to prevent the assassination of JFK.

  • Every journey through the portal transports the traveler to September 9, 1958, at 11:58 a.m.
  • No matter how long someone stays in the past—hours, days, weeks, or years—only two minutes have elapsed when they return to 2011.
  • Past events can be changed; however, subsequent use of the portal "resets" the timeline and nullifies all changes made on the previous excursion.
  • The "obdurate" past throws up obstacles to prevent history from being changed. Such resistance is proportional to the magnitude of the change.

He tried, tried and tried again.

But when he succeeds, and goes back to present, all the History after 1963 have changed.

And far from the best.

The past dictates the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBIWv7ExUS4

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 7:15 am
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Posted by: xandercal
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

I don't think Cooper quite understood the ramifications of his actions.

This is Special Agent Dale Cooper we're talking about, a 100% awake Special Agent Dale Cooper, I cannot believe that he did not fully consider and understand the ramifications of his actions.

Perhaps awake but far from infallible.

He clearly had no idea what was about to come and it baffled him as much as it baffled us.

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 9:15 am
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

Someone had watched the TV series "11/22/63" two years ago ?

It's a time travel TV series (from a Stephen King novel) where the hero is trying to prevent the assassination of JFK.

  • Every journey through the portal transports the traveler to September 9, 1958, at 11:58 a.m.
  • No matter how long someone stays in the past—hours, days, weeks, or years—only two minutes have elapsed when they return to 2011.
  • Past events can be changed; however, subsequent use of the portal "resets" the timeline and nullifies all changes made on the previous excursion.
  • The "obdurate" past throws up obstacles to prevent history from being changed. Such resistance is proportional to the magnitude of the change.

He tried, tried and tried again.

But when he succeeds, and goes back to present, all the History after 1963 have changed.

And far from the best.

The past dictates the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBIWv7ExUS4

I've been meaning to watch and read that.  Thank you for the reminder.

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 11:20 am
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Posted by: xandercal
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

I don't think Cooper quite understood the ramifications of his actions.

This is Special Agent Dale Cooper we're talking about, a 100% awake Special Agent Dale Cooper, I cannot believe that he did not fully consider and understand the ramifications of his actions.

And furthermore.......was he really 100% awake?  That is up for much debate.

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 11:24 am
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I've not yet seen the television version of 11/22/63,   but the book was pretty decent.     Not perfect or top notch,  but well worth the time to read.

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 11:52 am
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Posted by: Carnifex

I've not yet seen the television version of 11/22/63,   but the book was pretty decent.     Not perfect or top notch,  but well worth the time to read.

Good to know. Thanks .

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 12:07 pm
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

Someone had watched the TV series "11/22/63" two years ago ?

It's a time travel TV series (from a Stephen King novel) where the hero is trying to prevent the assassination of JFK.

  • Every journey through the portal transports the traveler to September 9, 1958, at 11:58 a.m.
  • No matter how long someone stays in the past—hours, days, weeks, or years—only two minutes have elapsed when they return to 2011.
  • Past events can be changed; however, subsequent use of the portal "resets" the timeline and nullifies all changes made on the previous excursion.
  • The "obdurate" past throws up obstacles to prevent history from being changed. Such resistance is proportional to the magnitude of the change.

He tried, tried and tried again.

But when he succeeds, and goes back to present, all the History after 1963 have changed.

And far from the best.

The past dictates the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBIWv7ExUS4

Yes we watched this and loved it!

 
Posted : 09/06/2018 4:10 pm
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Posted by: Brandy Fisher

If Laura is never found dead and instead goes missing, then Dale never enters portal at Glastonbury Grove right?

 

He 100% enters at GG because A) it's the only possible way he could've altered Laura's fate and B) he is shown exiting the portal by his own will at GG before the Odessa trip.

 
Posted : 11/06/2018 2:28 pm
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Posted by: Janey-E
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

If Laura is never found dead and instead goes missing, then Dale never enters portal at Glastonbury Grove right?

 

He 100% enters at GG because A) it's the only possible way he could've altered Laura's fate and B) he is shown exiting the portal by his own will at GG before the Odessa trip.

I guess its one of those paradox scenarios where one creates the other and can't exist without each other.

 
Posted : 11/06/2018 4:33 pm
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However, I still don't think all of Seasons 1 & 2 would have happened had Cooper "saved" Laura.  Of course, he never would have gone back in time and saved her had there never been a reason to lead her away from her impending doom.

Or maybe it was all some dream........................   ? 

 
Posted : 11/06/2018 4:46 pm
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Here’s a strangely optimistic take on the end. Yes Coop is lost in time and space but he did succeed in one respect: he saved Laura Palmer from being murdered. Her life as Carrie Page might not have been great but at least she got to have a life in the altered timeline. 

 
Posted : 11/06/2018 10:29 pm
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Posted by: Janey-E
Posted by: Brandy Fisher

If Laura is never found dead and instead goes missing, then Dale never enters portal at Glastonbury Grove right?

 

He 100% enters at GG because A) it's the only possible way he could've altered Laura's fate and B) he is shown exiting the portal by his own will at GG before the Odessa trip.

I've been thinking along these lines. If the Final Dossier is to be believed, Coop still came to town and he disappeared. Makes sebse to me he ended up Glastonbury Grove somehow. The fact that the red room scenes in Part 18 are a variation on the ones on Part 2 suggest two different timelines. It ties in with my thoughts that you can change events in time but time will still yield the same results, just in different forms; Leiland still dies, Coop still ends up in the red room.

Although I must say that the way Lynch employs a jump cut back to the red room in part 18 and the look on Coop's face suggest Mike had just been showing him a flashback of previous events, but to what extent I don't know. 

 
Posted : 12/06/2018 3:37 am
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My main question is,   by saving Laura,   did Cooper actually solve a problem,  or create worse ones?     Sure,   Laura is alive (in some version or other),   but what kind of havoc was created by plucking her out of that time stream?

 
Posted : 12/06/2018 9:40 am
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