I think you're right. That's a pretty big puzzle piece I'd say. Sorta explains the fire at the monitoring station too, right? Although, we could still argue whether the fire was set by C and meant to eliminate Briggs, or was it set by Briggs himself in order to hide his disappearance after whatever interaction those two had? Briggs might've set in motion an emergency contingent, OR, maybe that was a sacrifice he simply had to suffer as phase I of The Plan.
Then again, his body was found in Buckhorn and his head resides in non-existence space, so....um...
Yeah, both the Secret History and Final Dossier assert that Briggs was visited by Dopple Coop after he emerged from Glastonbury Grove and then left the hospital (and we all know what happened to Audrey there). It's only after this meeting that Coop is officially considered missing, when he disappears. Of course, Briggs is then declared dead in the fire but as outlined in the Final Dossier Briggs faked this (I still don't know where he got the body from, though - the mind boggles).
One bit of ambiguity brought up by Tammy in the FD - the destruction of Briggs' secret information and technology was part of his 'MAYDAY' protocol but it was uncertain whether Briggs had done this successfully himself or whether he was followed and ambushed by Mr C and there was a struggle that Briggs managed to escape from. It's certainly implied Mr C made off with some of the technology which might explain how he was able to set off the prison alarms in the way he did.
You know, I had dismissed the reveal of Cole and Coop's meeting with Briggs as being a poorly handled retcon but the more I look at it, there really is something strange about it, like it's hiding or revealing more than is on the surface. For instance, Cole says "Phillip Jeffries, who doesn't really exist anymore, at least not in the normal sense, told me a long time ago he was onto this entity, and he disappeared." How does he know Jeffries no longer exists in the normal sense? I don't think he's referring to the ability to go from Bueno Aries to Philly in 1989. And when does Cole consider a long time ago - when did Phillip tell him about Judy? All he said in 1989 was that they weren't going to talk about Judy - AT ALL. Did Jeffries speak to Cole before this or after? Did Cole already know about Judy in 1989 or not? At what point did this occur in each man's chronological timeline - Jeffries having the ability to move through time raises the question. And don't forget, Cole will remember the official version. But he didn't remember Jeffries' flying visit in 1989 until prompted. Are we seeing a replay of time that has already existed, or a timeline adjusting itself, and can certain people retain their memory of previous timelines or of things that have since been changed?
Who is the dreamer? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? For god's sake - WHAT YEAR IS THIS? ?
The shooter was under the pavement drain
I think you're right. That's a pretty big puzzle piece I'd say. Sorta explains the fire at the monitoring station too, right? Although, we could still argue whether the fire was set by C and meant to eliminate Briggs, or was it set by Briggs himself in order to hide his disappearance after whatever interaction those two had? Briggs might've set in motion an emergency contingent, OR, maybe that was a sacrifice he simply had to suffer as phase I of The Plan.
Then again, his body was found in Buckhorn and his head resides in non-existence space, so....um...
Yeah, both the Secret History and Final Dossier assert that Briggs was visited by Dopple Coop after he emerged from Glastonbury Grove and then left the hospital (and we all know what happened to Audrey there). It's only after this meeting that Coop is officially considered missing, when he disappears. Of course, Briggs is then declared dead in the fire but as outlined in the Final Dossier Briggs faked this (I still don't know where he got the body from, though - the mind boggles).
One bit of ambiguity brought up by Tammy in the FD - the destruction of Briggs' secret information and technology was part of his 'MAYDAY' protocol but it was uncertain whether Briggs had done this successfully himself or whether he was followed and ambushed by Mr C and there was a struggle that Briggs managed to escape from. It's certainly implied Mr C made off with some of the technology which might explain how he was able to set off the prison alarms in the way he did.
You know, I had dismissed the reveal of Cole and Coop's meeting with Briggs as being a poorly handled retcon but the more I look at it, there really is something strange about it, like it's hiding or revealing more than is on the surface. For instance, Cole says "Phillip Jeffries, who doesn't really exist anymore, at least not in the normal sense, told me a long time ago he was onto this entity, and he disappeared." How does he know Jeffries no longer exists in the normal sense? I don't think he's referring to the ability to go from Bueno Aries to Philly in 1989. And when does Cole consider a long time ago - when did Phillip tell him about Judy? All he said in 1989 was that they weren't going to talk about Judy - AT ALL. Did Jeffries speak to Cole before this or after? Did Cole already know about Judy in 1989 or not? At what point did this occur in each man's chronological timeline - Jeffries having the ability to move through time raises the question. And don't forget, Cole will remember the official version. But he didn't remember Jeffries' flying visit in 1989 until prompted. Are we seeing a replay of time that has already existed, or a timeline adjusting itself, and can certain people retain their memory of previous timelines or of things that have since been changed?
Who is the dreamer? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? For god's sake - WHAT YEAR IS THIS? ?
the body only showed up 25 years later. His fingerprints were still being found
Briggs' body they found 25 years later. But according to The Final Dossier there was a body found a day or so (I think?) after the fire with Briggs' teeth next to it, which was the only thing they could identify the body by (the implication being that Briggs' faked his death, hid in a portal and was killed by Mr C and friends when he popped out to get the coordinates from Bill Hastings). The fingerprints suggest that he did reappear back on earth but where and why, who knows?
The shooter was under the pavement drain
Right, probably not yet smoking like a chimney either. I think a mash up of the 2 shows would be incredible, and enlightening!
The shooter was under the pavement drain
And he had pointy teeth and carried balloons......
The shooter was under the pavement drain
And he had pointy teeth and carried balloons......
OMG IT!!!!! The best book EVER, until you find out it is a large spider from mars. Not even Bowie was scared of that. Seriously though, how great was that novel, until you reached the end?
My favorite King book and I've read.....all of them? Maybe?
Even with the ending. If you recall, it wasn't actually a spider from mars, that was just how that dumb mini series showed it (although Tim Curry rocked it). In the book, they saw what looked like a spider because their feeble human brains could not conceive of what it actually was and that was the easiest heuristic they could find.
I still have yet to see the remake which I'm actually looking forward to seeing how they dealt with that problem this time.
The only King movie ending rewrite that worked well (in my recollection) was Carrie.
I thought the new movie was pretty good. Great even. I like horror and this one was not the same old tired story arc. It's punched up and well made.
I really gotta read that Final Dossier. I don't know that I was altogether thrilled with the Secret History to be honest. No specific complaints, but... everything goes better with Lynch on sound design is all.
As to the mashup - Duchovney has his work cut out for him.
Chris - I have come to believe that Cole knows what he knows because the earpieces that he wears are not hearing aids in the normal sense. I think he hears just fine, or he would without them. I think they are attuned to Blue Rose frequencies. I think he is piping reality's doppelganger straight to the dome. He heard Diane coming because she was unstable between realities (her bracelet swap, the time on her watch, the inconsistent details on her phone). When Albert admitted to tipping off Mr. C to the man in Colombia, I think Cole was 'listening' to Albert's true intentions. He turns it up when he really needs the truth - they didn't need to whisper out there in the middle of a parking lot. I'm still working on the proper description.
Could he hear Shelly just fine because she's honest and true? Or just because she's cute? Don't know about that one, as a man sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. At first.
As to the mashup - Duchovney has his work cut out for him.
All the more reason that they should do it Season 4 could start on the road where they kept losing time in the x-files episode. Only it is right where the entrance to Jackrabbits Palace is and they run into Cole, Cooper and Albert...all FBI and easily confirmed with a call to Skinner. Sit with the possibilities of that one for a bit...
Chris - I have come to believe that Cole knows what he knows because the earpieces that he wears are not hearing aids in the normal sense. I think he hears just fine, or he would without them. I think they are attuned to Blue Rose frequencies. I think he is piping reality's doppelganger straight to the dome. He heard Diane coming because she was unstable between realities (her bracelet swap, the time on her watch, the inconsistent details on her phone). When Albert admitted to tipping off Mr. C to the man in Colombia, I think Cole was 'listening' to Albert's true intentions. He turns it up when he really needs the truth - they didn't need to whisper out there in the middle of a parking lot. I'm still working on the proper description.
Could he hear Shelly just fine because she's honest and true? Or just because she's cute? Don't know about that one, as a man sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. At first.
I absolutely love and believe in this. Cole acts hard of hearing because he is listening to other things, people, frequencies and if he takes the device off, he probably hears everyone in his immediate surroundings just fine. But Twin Peaks is a place of vortex's and portals to other worlds so he keeps those things on and up loud the whole time he is near that place. He surely didn't have any problems hearing Monica Belluci in Paris in his dreams...
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The shooter was under the pavement drain
Right, probably not yet smoking like a chimney either. I think a mash up of the 2 shows would be incredible, and enlightening!
Sorry I don't know what you mean. Could you explain further, please?
I actually think JFKs killer was not LHO. But a few shooters, one of which was positioned in the drain.
It was a reference to the X-Files show. There was an episode about the JFK shooting, purely a fictional telling.
The real event is so mired in deceptions and strange facts and characters - it's like, even if some grizzled old sniper came forward and declared the 'truth' of the matter, there's no real way to convince everyone of any one story anymore. It's an oddly unknowable event. Too mixed up to ever unravel clean. Kinda like 9-11. I did see Cheney with a remote control the size of a cello though.
The Bellucci dream! Yes!
If you watch the man in Colombia scene it's there in the audio too.
The shooter was under the pavement drain
Right, probably not yet smoking like a chimney either. I think a mash up of the 2 shows would be incredible, and enlightening!
Sorry I don't know what you mean. Could you explain further, please?
I actually think JFKs killer was not LHO. But a few shooters, one of which was positioned in the drain.
Not just any old episode, it was one of the best X-files episodes that progressed through a lot of conspiracy theory's and how Smoking man (I always called him cancer man) came to be. It was so well done and tied into so many things we all have questions about that it deserved an emmy on it's own...I thought.
You really need to see this episode however it is better if you watch the x-files in order and then when you get to this episode it will blow your mind!
The shooter was under the pavement drain
Right, probably not yet smoking like a chimney either. I think a mash up of the 2 shows would be incredible, and enlightening!
Sorry I don't know what you mean. Could you explain further, please?
I actually think JFKs killer was not LHO. But a few shooters, one of which was positioned in the drain.
Oh, and LHO was a patsy, I believe he was completely involved in the attempt but I don't believe he could have done it from that position and distance without a scope. I am sure that the conspirators who pulled off the actual assassination would not have relied on him to complete that mission, they just relied on him to get caught trying. That way he could be erased at a later date and voila, no connection to them, except for Ruby, who was going to die anyway. The real question is WHY did they need to kill JFK? There are a lot of theories on this too but I am pretty certain it was about the space program, more specifically the faked moon landings. This is a whole different subject for a different thread, not sure it has a lot to do with TP however I would love to hear Lynch's take on the subject.
How to put this... I guess I tend to think that Bob doesn't so much have concrete desires as a general desire to increase the pain and sorrow in the world, for him to feed on. Thus, I don't ever let Leland off the hook - it was his desire to have sex with his daughter that Bob perhaps amplified, but didn't create. So, I think what Mr. C wants stems from Cooper, and Cole's bit about this plan to find Judy bolsters this thought for me. Both Coopers want to find Judy, and we aren't told why. We might want to think that the Good Coop wants to destroy her, while the Bad Coop wants to pull a Windom Earle or something, but I like the ambiguity - this fascination with an extreme negative force. I find an analogy to the invention of the Bomb. Mostly, the scientists just wanted to see if they could do it.
That matches with the line from Laura's diary (if i recall correctly), something like: "I know it's not Bob now. I know it's him."
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