Just a side note ....
Cole says that He, Briggs and Coop were formulating a plan to find Judy.
He doesn't say to "kill" Judy.
He also says that Judy is an extreme negative force. Not a being.
Thoughts?
His use of the word "negative" is raising a red flag with me. He did not say EVIL, he said "negative." Electricity has both positive and "negative" charge in order to function as useable power for any electronic component.
I think I am going to investigate into electrical terms to see what I can dig up. I mean I know a LOT about electricity and how it functions but I have never heard of a term that resembles the words Jowday or Judy.
Lets see what we find...
Just a side note ....
Cole says that He, Briggs and Coop were formulating a plan to find Judy.
He doesn't say to "kill" Judy.
He also says that Judy is an extreme negative force. Not a being.
Thoughts?
His use of the word "negative" is raising a red flag with me. He did not say EVIL, he said "negative." Electricity has both positive and "negative" charge in order to function as useable power for any electronic component.
I think I am going to investigate into electrical terms to see what I can dig up. I mean I know a LOT about electricity and how it functions but I have never heard of a term that resembles the words Jowday or Judy.
Lets see what we find...
You have read the posts about "the owls aren't what they seem, haven't you?
You have read the posts about "the owls aren't what they seem, haven't you?
It's here :
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/the-owls-are-not-what-they-seem-2/
One of the greatest find on this forum.
Honestly, there's no way Mr.C was actively searching for The Black Lodge. His plan, originally, was to avoid it at all costs. Not sure how you could possibly think he's actively seeking it. Otherwise, he'd have just gone back in when due.
In terms of the co-ordinates, I think he wanted The Fireman's Station; which I believe to be a place from which all time can be accessed. He clearly wanted Judy - hence seeing the Palmer's house, where Judy was - but didn't know where she was. When he asks 'Who is Judy?', I don't think he meant 'What is Judy.' More 'Who is Judy IN right now?'. So the Station, he guessed, would show him where she was.
Unfortunately, Fireman had a trap.
Now, in terms of what they wanted? The Final Dossier implies Judy is an ancient Sumerian demon, a particular type, of which there were many. The male equivalent was called Ba'al, later known as The Devil. It states if they ever mated on Earth, it would bring about the end of the world.
My theory? BOB/Ba'al built the glass box to transport Judy to Earth. Once there, she takes a female host. BOB finds her inside a male host, the host's fuck, the offspring destroys the world.
So I think The Doppelganger, effectively, to meet Sarah Palmer, to create a reunion.
Ironically, he accidentally made a son in the process who he killed.
This is just my theory, but I don't think Frost added by accident or for no reason.
In terms of the co-ordinates, I think he wanted The Fireman's Station; which I believe to be a place from which all time can be accessed. He clearly wanted Judy - hence seeing the Palmer's house, where Judy was - but didn't know where she was. When he asks 'Who is Judy?', I don't think he meant 'What is Judy.' More 'Who is Judy IN right now?'. So the Station, he guessed, would show him where she was.
Unfortunately, Fireman had a trap.
Now, in terms of what they wanted? The Final Dossier implies Judy is an ancient Sumerian demon, a particular type, of which there were many. The male equivalent was called Ba'al, later known as The Devil. It states if they ever mated on Earth, it would bring about the end of the world.
My theory? BOB/Ba'al built the glass box to transport Judy to Earth. Once there, she takes a female host. BOB finds her inside a male host, the host's fuck, the offspring destroys the world.
So I think The Doppelganger, effectively, to meet Sarah Palmer, to create a reunion.
Ironically, he accidentally made a son in the process who he killed.
This is just my theory, but I don't think Frost added by accident or for no reason.
That's good stuff. I like the interpretation. I can't quite come around to thinking that the Double knew about Judy, at least in name. In part 15 when he meets Jeffries, the conversation just doesn't feel like he's asking about who is hosting Judy at the moment; it seems more like he's curious about why Jeffries brought her up back in '89 and why didn't he want to talk about her. "Does Judy want something from me?" seems like a 20 questions scheme to verify if she's who he's looking for. It all adds up, even smells right, to picture the Double searching for Mother (as per the card) and he's starting to put it together that Judy may be the name of that which he wants. He's sniffing around the edges of who this name belongs to. I guess that's a small detail to your overall theory.
Actually, that's a fascinating idea that definitely holds weight; the idea that The Doppelganger/BOB knew what they wanted, but not necessarily what it was called.
He knows he's delivering BOB to something, so the line 'does she want something from me?' could definitely be interpreted as him figuring out if Judy is what he's after.
So yeah, could definitely see my theory still working but my detail about 'Who's Judy?' being wrong. In fact, I prefer yours.
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
Can't be because Cole said it was Cole Briggs and Cooper that had the plan and then Cooper went missing.
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
Can't be because Cole said it was Cole Briggs and Cooper that had the plan and then Cooper went missing.
Didn't say which Cooper, though, did he? I've been thinking about this. Could this meeting have taken place the night Mr C visited Briggs? Was it dopple Coop they made their plan with, before Briggs realised the truth. We don't know exactly what Mr C said or did that night to tip Briggs off that something was wrong.
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
Can't be because Cole said it was Cole Briggs and Cooper that had the plan and then Cooper went missing.
Didn't say which Cooper, though, did he? I've been thinking about this. Could this meeting have taken place the night Mr C visited Briggs? Was it dopple Coop they made their plan with, before Briggs realised the truth. We don't know exactly what Mr C said or did that night to tip Briggs off that something was wrong.
When did Mr C visit Briggs?
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
Can't be because Cole said it was Cole Briggs and Cooper that had the plan and then Cooper went missing.
Didn't say which Cooper, though, did he? I've been thinking about this. Could this meeting have taken place the night Mr C visited Briggs? Was it dopple Coop they made their plan with, before Briggs realised the truth. We don't know exactly what Mr C said or did that night to tip Briggs off that something was wrong.
When did Mr C visit Briggs?
Right before Briggs "died." "Cooper" was the last person to speak to Briggs.
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
Can't be because Cole said it was Cole Briggs and Cooper that had the plan and then Cooper went missing.
Didn't say which Cooper, though, did he? I've been thinking about this. Could this meeting have taken place the night Mr C visited Briggs? Was it dopple Coop they made their plan with, before Briggs realised the truth. We don't know exactly what Mr C said or did that night to tip Briggs off that something was wrong.
When did Mr C visit Briggs?
Right before Briggs "died." "Cooper" was the last person to speak to Briggs.
Ah! Thank you!
If Mr. C didn't know the name Judy for this extreme negative force, that would point in the direction of the plan Cole mentions being made AFTER the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge (an idea I have put forward before). You think about that, Tammy.
Can't be because Cole said it was Cole Briggs and Cooper that had the plan and then Cooper went missing.
Didn't say which Cooper, though, did he? I've been thinking about this. Could this meeting have taken place the night Mr C visited Briggs? Was it dopple Coop they made their plan with, before Briggs realised the truth. We don't know exactly what Mr C said or did that night to tip Briggs off that something was wrong.
When did Mr C visit Briggs?
Right before Briggs "died." "Cooper" was the last person to speak to Briggs.
Was this after Coop went into red room? If so, then it MUST be Mr C that visited Briggs, doesn't it?
I think you're right. That's a pretty big puzzle piece I'd say. Sorta explains the fire at the monitoring station too, right? Although, we could still argue whether the fire was set by C and meant to eliminate Briggs, or was it set by Briggs himself in order to hide his disappearance after whatever interaction those two had? Briggs might've set in motion an emergency contingent, OR, maybe that was a sacrifice he simply had to suffer as phase I of The Plan.
Then again, his body was found in Buckhorn and his head resides in non-existence space, so....um...
I think you're right. That's a pretty big puzzle piece I'd say. Sorta explains the fire at the monitoring station too, right? Although, we could still argue whether the fire was set by C and meant to eliminate Briggs, or was it set by Briggs himself in order to hide his disappearance after whatever interaction those two had? Briggs might've set in motion an emergency contingent, OR, maybe that was a sacrifice he simply had to suffer as phase I of The Plan.
Then again, his body was found in Buckhorn and his head resides in non-existence space, so....um...
Briggs may have thought it was Coop the night of the fire......?
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