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Yeah, come on guys, even though this episode's gone so far off from the old series, you gotta love watching a frog-legged insect crawl inside a sleeping girl's mouth....
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Reminder, don't leave your window open when you go to sleep.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggh!
I think this is getting out of hand. Any more of this, and the show is bound to be doomed.
There is no "doomed." 18 episodes were created ( out of one long movie ), and 18 episodes will be shown on Showtime as in the contract. This is not ABC, there's no cancelling it. And it was not planned as an ongoing series.
Was anyone else reminded of the ending of 2001?
In 2001, the long sequence starting when Dave encounters the monolith and starts on his journey to becoming the Star Child.
In part 8, the long sequence starting with the atomic explosion and leading to the creation of Bob and Laura (and the lodges).
Agreed. When we as humans unleashed atomic energy, the benevolent and wise giant took the initiative as a MUCH higher consciousness to send the earth some help in the form of Laura's essence. The atomic bomb created a schism of sorts in the fabric of consciousness, thus allowing an inverted and much lower vibration into our reality. Bob represents that and always has.
The charred woodsman is a manifestation of the pure evil that now exists and he went to a radio station on purpose! Communicating that line "this is the water and this is the well; drink full and descend" over the airwaves (electricity) signals more negative and "inverted" dark forces to descend here and feast on our life force! That's why everybody that heard the broadcast was passing out.
Laura was always a target because she represents a vibration sent to heal this distortion we as humans are embroiled in. Obviously the dark forces that have been inadvertently allowed to leak through into our third dimensional existence don't want any healing force to get in their way. All negativity is food for them and they'll be denied garmonbozia if we all fix our hearts.
"Was anyone else reminded of the ending of 2001?"
Yes.
Loved this episode, definitely reminded me an awful lot of 2001.
A few theories going through my head: First of all regarding the 'This is the water and this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within.' radio message which makes people lose consciousness. Wasn't anyone reminded of the modus operandi of Leland/BOB whenever he'd abuse of Laura? As we see in FWWM first he'd make sure to let Sarah drink a glass of milk, then she would fall asleep. She'd also hallucinate and see a white horse before the murders of Maddy Ferguson and Laura.
Also back in episode 3 when Dougie Jones's body disappears in the Black Lodge a golden orb comes out of it as well as a silvery-gray mineral which might very well be plutonium (picture here). The Trinity test's bomb was of course a plutonium based bomb. And while it is much smaller, the tiny piece of metal the communication device in Buenos Aires turns into (picture here) might be plutonium as well.
Smells like something's burning!
"Leland/BOB whenever he'd abuse of Laura? As we see in FWWM first he'd make sure to let Sarah drink a glass of milk, then she would fall asleep. She'd also hallucinate and see a white horse before the murders of Maddy Ferguson and Laura."
He drugged her to knock her out. Not a hallucination, it was mentioned in original show that she was "gifted" and saw things. The white horse is a sign of something bad about to happen. At one point she saw Bob. The sketch for the poster was done from her describing him.
"He drugged her to knock her out. Not a hallucination, it was mentioned in original show that she was "gifted" and saw things. The white horse is a sign of something bad about to happen. At one point she saw Bob. The sketch for the poster was done from her describing him."
I'm aware he was merely drugging her as well as that Sarah had a certain affinity to things connected to the Black Lodge. My point is that she'd pass out after the act of drinking or seeing the white horse so that BOB could act undisturbed, not unlike what happens with the people hearing the radio message, so that the bug (which as far as we know might as well be BOB) could enter the 1956 girl's body.
I had to take a step back and remind myself to relax and enjoy the beauty and creativity of what was unfolding rather than be overly concerned about the progression. I think in our society today there are a lot of people that want instant gratification and simple straightforward plots, that is why a lot of really dumb movies tend to do so well at the box office. Those people will not like this episode.
Aww mate...
That's a bit much you've essentially equated anyone who doesn't like this episode to being dumb. That limits discussion a lot. You can't put out a challenging piece of television and expect it not to be challenged!
It was an interesting bit of TV no doubt.
If it wasn't an episode of Twin Peaks would I have stuck with it, the answer is probably not.
Undoubtedly the Trinity nuclear test deserves time and consideration as a dark period of human history and it was interesting to tie it into the unleashing of dark spirits into our world but this was punishingly long winded. I felt I could safely go and make a cup of tea and when I returned I'd still be seeing visually disturbing scenes accompanied by discordant sounds. I don't think I'd have missed much, safe for missing a different light/shape show with some different sounds.
I agree with the majority of this thread.
Last night was a lot of Lynch self indulging and anticipation of progression.
I feel like the entire world just saw my dirty secret.
I had to work to experience this full level of art by watching through Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire, Lost Highway, and Eraserhead, and allll of Twin Peaks up to this, and now people can just cut right to it with no context. This will also allow the populace to dog the show saying this is all it is, and all the damn slow Dougie scenes don't help the argument.
For the patient Lynch fan, this episode was perfect. I preferred episode seven because I absolutely fucking love seeing DaleBob make people shit their pants. As far as this episode, I got one scene of satisfaction which at first was horrifying because I believed he was dead. When he arose I laughed out "Jesus Christ!! hahaha"
To all of us that are disappointed by Lynch's overdrawing, REWATCH.
Go back to previous episodes and watch up to where we just left off,
you really appreciate being able to sit back and enjoy all those dragged out scenes.
EDIT: I was answering to GaryMC's observation.
I don't feel it equates to calling other people 'dumb', but there definitely is a "thing" with the industry that is stucked -- cinematic stoytelling stopped evolving somewhere between the late '70s and the mid '80s and become largely formulaic: the technology, and the visuals, have moved forward but we are still telling movies like 40 and 50 (and 70, really) years ago.
The problem with this is that such kind of storytelling spoon feeds predigested informations to the audience, thus making the viewing experience a (mostly) passive one and one that registers on a (mostly) rational level: this happens then this happens then this...
And, for the most, it's all good: it is an approach that we have endlessly refined and perfected, so that it's rich, nuanced and also very efficient -- but it's now dominating the absolutely vastest majority of productions, both in cinema and television!
This new Twin Peaks is doing the exact opposite of that: it's forcing the viewer to be active but patient, to play ball and to question the material, to follow the (narrative) lead while also providing its own meaning and to be willing to get 'lost in the woods' and be sensorially overwhelmed and-- like in a good trip, or a dream, meaning and structure will come later, after the experience, when we wake up.
EDIT: I was answering to GaryMC's observation.
I don't feel it equates to calling other people 'dumb', but there definitely is a "thing" with the industry that is stucked -- cinematic stoytelling stopped evolving somewhere between the late '70s and the mid '80s and become largely formulaic: the technology, and the visuals, have moved forward but we are still telling movies like 40 and 50 (and 70, really) years ago.
The problem with this is that such kind of storytelling spoon feeds predigested informations to the audience, thus making the viewing experience a (mostly) passive one and one that registers on a (mostly) rational level: this happens then this happens then this...
And, for the most, it's all good: it is an approach that we have endlessly refined and perfected, so that it's rich, nuanced and also very efficient -- but it's now dominating the absolutely vastest majority of productions, both in cinema and television!
This new Twin Peaks is doing the exact opposite of that: it's forcing the viewer to be active but patient, to play ball and to question the material, to follow the (narrative) lead while also providing its own meaning and to be willing to get 'lost in the woods' and be sensorially overwhelmed and-- like in a good trip, or a dream, meaning and structure will come later, after the experience, when we wake up.
But this argument is basically - it's good because it's a different to the mainstream approach.
My argument was that this shouldn't stop us challenging it (or worse still be labeled intellectually inferior if we don't agree with other people's opinions). I then went onto mention one specific sequence which rather than captivate actually bored me, the traveling through the nuclear explosion light and sound show. I realised the sensory effect it was supposed to have on the viewer but when I'm smacked in the face by it I get bored. As I said I felt I could happily have popped off for five minutes and returned to catch more interesting moments in that sequence, whilst not feeling that I'd have lost out on any experience (my experience being subjective to myself).
Other elements, Laura and Bob's "birth", the scene with the giant (or ?????) and the 1930s style lady, the young courtin' 50s teenagers and the invasion of the woodcutters/hobos were all really interesting. The amount of time spent traveling through a nuclear blast to different variations of discordant sound and light, for me at least, was not interesting or captivating.
(like, did we need the WHOLE Nin song to be played?)
Uh, YES!
David Lynch doing Lynch art like he knows best without changing it because of the mainstream.
As I was watching the episode, I felt this would probably be the one that divides a lot of fans. The long, drawn out scenes were a bit much for some. I hated the NiN performance, but wonder if the lyrics are relevant to the story. It was definitely not normal television, which is what Lynch is going for.
What was wrong with the NIN performance? I thought it was brilliant and fit right in with Twin Peaks lore.
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