Secret History of TP and The MoonChild  

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(@demeni)
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I understand your reasoning and hope youre right,  but if you consider the importance of duality in TP, comparing Laura and Maddie, she is definitely the "bad" one. Here is my take on it:

I think Sarah Palmer is the little girl from 1956 and that evening she was marked by the "mothfrog" to be the mother of the moonchild. (maybe she can see Bob because of this "marking")

A few years later, Bob (while possessing Leland) has found Sarah  and became the father of the moonchild (Laura).I think  the age of 17 is also important as it is also the age Laura had when she died. Maybe the moonchild has to reach a certain age (17??) to get its "powers" and something went wrong with Laura (maybe the ring she puts on seconds before her death?) so Bob couldnt use her anymore as the moonchild and had to kill her.

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Posted : 02/07/2017 12:37 pm
(@pier_federico_miozzo)
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@MoonChild

maybe this you'll find of interest, especially related to Parson, the opening of the gate/veil, Babalon, occultism, Cult of Thelema, LAM, Crowley, Lynch Bowie and Frost: 

https://jaysanalysis.com/2017/06/30/season-3-of-twin-peaks-decoded-part-1-jay-dyer/#prettyPhoto

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Posted : 02/07/2017 2:04 pm
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(@karen_paynter)
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The new show is not tied to the book. David Lynch said that it is MF's vision of TP. They co-wrote the script, so some similar ideas may have made it into the story.

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Posted : 02/07/2017 8:13 pm
(@moonchild)
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The show is 100% linked to the book....no doubt about that for anyone who's read it

If you havent read it it's actually hard to understand the new series at all

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Posted : 02/07/2017 8:27 pm
(@karen_paynter)
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I have read it, and am deeply familiar with original series & FWWM. As mentioned, DL said it is not a shared vision of TP.

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Posted : 02/07/2017 8:34 pm
(@zodas)
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Posted by: demeni

I think you are on the right track with your Laura/Moonchild theory. In my opinion Laura is the "evil/dark" incarnation of the moonchild. I don't know yet how this all fits together but I think it has to do with the real history of Jack Parsons. Here a few excerpts from an online article:

(...)1941 -- Parsons started to have a sexual relationship with his wife's Helen's 17-year-old sister Sara (....) along with other Thelemites ended up moving into a large house together in Pasadena. Drugs flowed freely, as did sexual partners. (...) FBI receiving allegations that it played host to a cult involved in sexual orgies and black magic (...)

"In 1945, (...) L Ron Hubbard moved into the Pasadena lodge. Sara took an interest in Hubbard, which made Parsons jealous. He developed a deeper interest in witchcraft and the darker side of magic, becoming fascinated by poltergeists and ghostly apparitions."

"In a bid to find conjure up a new lover, he took part in extraordinary rituals (...), he decided to create his own girlfriend and summon an elemental,"

"When Parsons worked on his rocketry experiments in the desert he would recite a pagan poem to Pan"

"(...) Parsons became even more deeply entrenched in the occult(...) Just before a planned trip to Mexico in 1952, Parsons (...)While preparing the order, there was an explosion involving mercury in which Parsons suffered fatal wounds"

"In the poems, (...) Parsons uses imagery that is pretty far out (...) about a hidden world beyond the view of normal mortals"

"He saw both space and magic as ways of exploring these new frontiers -- one breaking free from Earth literally and metaphysically."

This article ties Parsons, Hubbard and Crowley (Thelemites, followers of his religion Thelema) together around the time of the atomic explosions. I don't know if Pasadena and White Sands have some connection but it is certainly odd. In addition they have a love triangle involving a young girl named Sara (Palmer???).

Just read the finale of his appearance the secret history.

I thought it was interesting that in Milfords last interview with Parsons he noticed Parsons was wearing a jade ring.

I like how the book takes real events and people through history and spins them towards a Twin Peaks narrative.  

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Posted : 03/07/2017 1:44 am
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There's only óne doubt I have with the 'Sarah-Palmer-is-the-girl-in-1956' theory: if this particular mothfrog egg came from the big 'plasma-stream' erupting from the mouth of Mother/Experiment, this implies that the moth-frog (like the BOB orb and the other eggs) is inherently evil.

As I recall, Sarah was clairvoyant, but in no way evil... 

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Posted : 03/07/2017 1:48 am
(@zodas)
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With what took place in episode 8 after the events at White Sands it seems the Return and the book share a strong vision together.

 

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Posted : 03/07/2017 1:53 am
(@death-bag)
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You're close, but watch the deleted scenes of FWWM. . . The Thin White Agent is in South America, then appears in Philly .  When he vanishes he returns back the wall be behind him is charred
 
oh, and didn't they show a picture of  Bob/Coop in S.A. a few episodes ago?

As for Laura, this is a repeated theory.  But knowing Lynch, it is too easy and keaves out to much.  

If anything, I would expect her not be the savior but the opposite:

 "watch out for my cousin"

Of course,  this brings up  someone else this new theory leaves out:

"she's my cousin, but doesn't she look a lot like Laura Palmer?

. . . we're not gonna talk about Judy . .

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Posted : 04/07/2017 8:07 am
(@moonchild)
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Would he do that to her? to her character? Lynch loves Laura.... come on! he wouldn't spoil her for us making her the baddy....I trust in him

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Posted : 04/07/2017 6:05 pm
(@s0methingvagu3)
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Really love this theory. 

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Posted : 04/07/2017 9:02 pm
(@paulp)
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..so did BOB / Leeland try to impregnate Laura to create the blend of black/white?  Ans that failed so Bob entered Coopers body and impregnated Audrey?  Is Richard the moonchild?  Or maybe BOB / Cooper need to find Laura still....

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Posted : 05/07/2017 8:03 am
(@karen_paynter)
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Posted by: PaulP

..so did BOB / Leeland try to impregnate Laura to create the blend of black/white?  Ans that failed so Bob entered Coopers body and impregnated Audrey?  Is Richard the moonchild?  Or maybe BOB / Cooper need to find Laura still....

Not Cooper's body, a doppelganger. Coop had been in the BL ( and limbo ) until getting to replace Dougie. Bob enjoys experiencing the human pleasures as well as human garmonbozia. As he'd been having her since she was 12, Leland ( under direction of Bob )  probably used condoms.

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Posted : 05/07/2017 11:42 pm
(@murat_erol_ozkan)
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Posted by: MoonChild

 

so we know that Bob and the black lodge's purpose was ruined when Laura died .... therefore they must still be looking to find a way to procreate an "antichrist".... Dr Hayward says that Bad Coop/Bob visit Audrey while she is in a coma at the end of the 3rd series (supposedly)...

Could he have gotten her pregnant? and if that child is Richard...would it make sense to say that Richard is the Antichrist? he sure looks and behaves bad enough.... so who is Red? is he the black lodge magician come to teach him how to destroy the world?

I am new to the forum and nobody I know share my love for Twin Peaks so I literally have nobody to talk to about it.... Please share your comments and beliefs. I would love to discuss this with someone

MC

What I have so far is that Leland killed Laura saying 'dont make me do this' right after Laura took the ring, which would have 'wed' her to BOB, make white and black wed together and mutually reinforce one another; I think the true apocalypse is just this stagnant circle where everything just repeats with no progress, always the same here and now, over and over, where no intervention changes anything and everyone thinks everything is fine(greatest trick of devil was convincing people he didnt exist, everything is fine, etc.).  It was one of those moments when Leland's 'good side' kicked in, in order to prevent Laura from being wedded to BOB, after she took the ring as her final submission to BOB, which would have given her 'no way out' of the repetitive horror she was in, which saw her go from pain to 'gold-enjoyment' which was getting more and more self destructive.  Leland's modus operendi was fatherhood in excessive brutality, wanted to monopolize Laura etc. punish her for ruining herself, which is why BOB kicked in, but good side wanted to protect her from the horror of the community

Richard is definitely similar to Laura, a traumatized kid with talent, can unlock the secrets of the community and use them to his advantage, goes to the evil side, etc.: like Laura he gets upset when humiliated etc., then goes right back to the top, seeking to control the situation, exert power and control, but in a masculine way for Richard...., no progress, just spiral of destruction....

lots of Buddhist stuff here: yin and yang, black and white, balance and non-balance need each other....nothing underneath but void and flow of these 'forces'; to break out of this repetitive hell, you would need a third that changes the entire circle, the transcendental frame which locates people in the world, tells then the rules, what they should be doing etc., in other words you would need a revolution that returns to the same place but changes the entire circle, unable to go on as before(as if Laura refused the ring or finally decided to stop dealing with Jacques etc., no matter the consequences, even if BOB killed her, thus starting some process to change herself and the world, etc.), so that the repetition changes the whole frame of thinking/living, etc.  There are characters like this in Lynch, like Paul Mua' dib who overthrew the corrupted order of white-black(shaddam working with harkonens, all paying homage to the void of the space guild), thus leading to 'true freedom', changing the circle after returning to the void, something new somehow continues on(Paul says: that place where you are scared to look, I am there staring back at you, the void and antagonism that the circle of white and black cannot deal with, but Paul can, etc.).  Also the straight story, where the 'old man' continues on with his ethical duty, no matter what the consequence, and changes the entire circle of hatred with his brother, reconciling with him in the end. These are hints of monotheism, a one, thinking/non-thinking, that exerts its dominion over the repetitive cycle of nature: remember Bobby looked at the cross and mimicked Jesus before he went to the funeral and called out the entire community, demanding their responsibility and accounting for what happened to Laura....this is the approach missing in Laura, and maybe even Bobby too, yet to be seen, he did become a cop, but in the past that funeral was just an outburst after which he returned to his normal cynical stuff....we will see,  and of course you have Cooper, maybe he will not be the same old Cooper when he comes back; but my guess is that something like this would have to start up in the 'real' world before we see it reflected in twin peaks....

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Posted : 07/07/2017 3:34 am
(@roberto_bella)
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Posted by: MoonChild

Has anyone read The Secret History of TP? there is a chapter dedicated to Alistair Crowley and his book the Moonchild....

In here he describes the fight between white magicians and black magicians from the white and black lodge, who try to impregnate a virgin to give birth to the moonchild... whoever wins means the child might be a saviour or an antichrist...

let's suppose Laura was sent to be the saviour moonchild but something went horribly wrong....Leland got possessed by Bob before she was born so she was born damned... therefore she couldn't fight against him when he kept showing up and 'spoiling her' .... maybe her faith was supposed to be greater than what happened to her...maybe she was supposed to save us but something went wrong. She died....

what if the purpose of the 3rd series is to save Laura? what if Coop needs to find a way to travel in time (time is a circle in TP everything returns, everything is connected...remember Annie?) and save Laura so she can save the world from Bob? How is she supposed to do that? is she the only one who can really kill Bob?

so we know that Bob and the black lodge's purpose was ruined when Laura died .... therefore they must still be looking to find a way to procreate an "antichrist".... Dr Hayward says that Bad Coop/Bob visit Audrey while she is in a coma at the end of the 3rd series (supposedly)...

Could he have gotten her pregnant? and if that child is Richard...would it make sense to say that Richard is the Antichrist? he sure looks and behaves bad enough.... so who is Red? is he the black lodge magician come to teach him how to destroy the world?

I am new to the forum and nobody I know share my love for Twin Peaks so I literally have nobody to talk to about it.... Please share your comments and beliefs. I would love to discuss this with someone

MC

I agree that you're definitely on to something. It might end up varying a bit when all is said and done, or be more implied than explicit, but I think you've captured the gist of it.

I've been jumping around inside "Secret History," but didn't see this passage yet. I think Mark Frost definitely found a way to make the book and season 3 fit and enhance each other.

Episode 8 scared the sh*t out of me, and I'm not easily spooked. It so convincingly conjured pure menace, a Lynch specialty. If you have had any personal experiences with the supernatural then you might feel it a bit more acutely as I do. Gotta be careful what we dabble with, and why. Keeping it positive helps a lot.

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Posted : 07/07/2017 11:46 am
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