I am no expert on dimensional theory or Jack Parsons, but I get the impression that access to our plane of existence is limited for the beings we know as lodge people. I think the trinity test somehow 'changed the rules' of access. I have some theories, but trying not to do down that rabbit hole without more information.
I am still struggling with the end game with Dougie; let's assume Coop wakes up, what happens to Dougie's family? There is something not working for me on how that story line is resolved without Dougie's death or the family's death.
Regarding Dougie's family, last episode (or the one before that), people posted videos that shows Sonny Jim blink backwards. What the...! So, I mean, who are they really? Or if they are regular people, why did he do that?
(perhaps there's more talk about this in the correct thread, but you sorta move on to the new episode, and stop follow the earlier ones.)
I thought as you do Hookrugdance, and I hope you are right, but that doesn't seem to fit with the theory of going after his killer (or knowing where he was going) which would seem to mean the following piece with his killer on the phone would only have been to id who he was working for and not to setup a revenge segment.
Joining this late, and a bit rushed, so I apologize if this has already been asked/noted, but:
Could the "Ash Bums" be (or be vessels for) the "dugpas" referred to at one point during the original seasons? "Dugpa" means "red hat", and at least some of the "Ash Bums" are wearing red caps.
For more on dugpas (at least as viewed in Theosophy) see: here
I openly accept any "you just don't get lynch" replies, as long as there's some sort of explanation of what I just watched. I prefer actual facts, bit I'm open to hearing theories after that episode.
Don't openly accept "you just don't get Lynch" replies, it's silly. I love the Beatles, the world recognizes the artistry of the Beatles yet I don't enjoy some songs on the White album, big deal. I love TP, love Mullholland Drive and don't have any affinity or connection to Eraserhead. It's the human struggle of the characters (mostly Cooper), punctuated by the artistry, that makes me love TP. Ep 8 was all artistry, I appreciate it but don't enjoy it. And guess what, I don't have to.
I openly accept any "you just don't get lynch" replies, as long as there's some sort of explanation of what I just watched. I prefer actual facts, bit I'm open to hearing theories after that episode.
Don't openly accept "you just don't get Lynch" replies, it's silly. I love the Beatles, the world recognizes the artistry of the Beatles yet I don't enjoy some songs on the White album, big deal. I love TP, love Mullholland Drive and don't have any affinity or connection to Eraserhead. It's the human struggle of the characters (mostly Cooper), punctuated by the artistry, that makes me love TP. Ep 8 was all artistry, I appreciate it but don't enjoy it. And guess what, I don't have to.
What I was getting at is don't just say "u just don't get lynch" unless you bring something to the table to help me understand what I watched.
I'm a beatles fan myself, so I get where you're coming from.
Henry it's interesting to me that the patterns on the floor of the Giant's "castle" look very similar to images of Jupiter from the Juno probe. Jupiter and Saturn aligning is when the "gate" to the Black Lodge opens.
Also that the place where the Woodsmen gather and mill about is a gas station, and oil deposits are ancient forests/wood/trees, and the cypress grove in Twin Peaks where the gate to the Black Lodge is has a "reflecting pool" of black oil that smells like scorched engine oil. The Woodsmen seem to be covered in crude oil.
Driving down a dark highway with the lights of the car only illuminating so far into pitch darkness is a continual reference in Lynch's work.
The woodman continually repeats "Got a light?"
We don't see Bob escape from Danzig Cooper, only that he is emerging... did the Woodsmen "heal" Cooper and prevent Bob from leaving his body? Is that why he pops up in the end of the episode? We shall see, I suppose.
I kinda got that Bad Coop was resurrected as Good Coop. There was something different about his eyes when he woke up. I have no idea what that would mean for Dougie Coop or the story but that was the impression I got.
Also, I don't think the girl was Sarah Palmer and creature was benevolent. It hatched from an egg looking exactly like the ones in the vomit from Mother. So this is probably Bob (or similar) being sendt to earth and taking his first victim.
Finally, the Lincoln-hobo rant seemed to me as an invitation to all the evil spirits to come down and feast on earth.
That's it for now. More will probably come to mind later.
I thought the good Dale was trapped in the Lodge. The Doppel-Dale who carried Bob with him got out. Good Dale took over Dougie's life so that is where he is now.
I think what we witnessed was Bob leaving the Doppel-Dale (who still needs to die or go back to the Lodge as the two versions (Doppel-Dale and good Dale (Dougie)) cannot exist in the world).
Also, am I the only one that immediately assumes the Lighthouse is in fact the White lodge?
Nope, I'm right there with you: as soon as I saw the woman in the flowered dress and then the Giant, coupled with the calming ambiance I was thinking "White Lodge"... or the closest form of it we've come to see thus far.
I'm in the camp of creation myth and genesis of lodge spirits, as well. It was supposed to make some sense of the entire black lodge & white lodge folklore. The only thing that got me confused is Hawk saying in the original series, that lodges have existed for ages. So the 1945 was a bit contradicting.
I wonder how much Lynch and Frost have been influenced by Greek mythology when creating their universe of spirits? There was a lot that could be interpret as similarities between The Giant and Chronos. Both are living on a mountain-type place, both are associated with time (Chronos being personification of time according to Wiki, Giant controlling some big-ass bell) and both had a female companion with whom they spawned offspring to the earth. Even lodge creatures have food typical of them (garmonbozia), while Greek gods feasted on ambrosia.
(Offtopic: Not a physicist here, but doesn't atomic bomb explosion send off radio waves/electromagnetic waves? Possibly responsible for the odd signals Garland and the military had detected in the original series? (COOPER/COOPER/COOPER, THEOWLSARENOTWHATTHEYSEEM))
I'm in the camp of creation myth and genesis of lodge spirits, as well. It was supposed to make some sense of the entire black lodge & white lodge folklore. The only thing that got me confused is Hawk saying in the original series, that lodges have existed for ages. So the 1945 was a bit contradicting.
The same lodge has existed since time immemorial as myths of places where thinking-reality breaks down, including in the myths of American Indians, the 'evil in the woods-nature', etc.. The emphasis on the atomic blast is now that this power of the inconsistency of reality is coming out into the open and being utilized explicitly by human action(splitting of the atom, etc.), thus the 'experiment model'(taking over the radio) etc. as turning the world into a play pen for BOB/Woodsmen/Billionaire/Kafka's State-Goverment, where, like windom earle they foolishly think they can make inconsistency/nothing positively into their property, a toy for their narcissistic profits and affection, at the expense of the entire world. In other words, they act as if nothing is directly something; thus the scene in New York, where the lodges are now monitored and block out the good cooper and kill whoever he might manifest into......and who kills....the feminine with the golden orb, to keep the repetitive never ending cycle of 'time and time again, BOB BOB BOB', which gives birth to the dead dream of an idyllic guaranteed laura always to come....
Weird question, but have anyone here read the comic book series The Invisibles, by Grant Morrison?
Morrison (like The Secret History of Twin Peaks) is pretty enthusiastic about occultism, strange forces and their relation to human activity / science / understanding of the Cosmos. There's a full arc of the series which deals with the taming of nuclear energy and the first atomic tests. In it, when he famously became "Death, Destroyer of Worlds", Oppenheimer also opened a door in the space-time continuum which allowed dark forces to enter our reality, messed with the nature of time and stuff like that.
I'm not a specialist in the occult or anything like that. But could this concept of the birth or arrival of a great evil while humankind was discovering ways to split the atom for destructive reasons be an important one to occultists? It's fantastic to see my favourite show sharing conceptual elements with one of my favourite comic books. And if you like mindfucks (related or not to the New Mexico tests) you should definitely give The Invisibles a try.
Henry it's interesting to me that the patterns on the floor of the Giant's "castle" look very similar to images of Jupiter from the Juno probe. Jupiter and Saturn aligning is when the "gate" to the Black Lodge opens.
I keep going back to this idea as well. The owl cave map shows differently planetary signs in different areas of Twin Peaks.
I read a while back someone talking about the importance of the various elements being shown (gold, lead, etc). If you look up the different planetary metals, there are 7 metals associated with their corresponding planets.
I'm curious to see if the planetary symbols and their corresponding planetary metals have anything to do with all of this.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated!
LIGHThouse -> WHITE lodge, anyone?
Also, was I the only to find the woman-entity with the giant reminiscent of Audrey?
"To Laura. Godspeed."
I'll never hear that line the same way again.
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