I completely believe this is Bob frog. Maybe the orb is his spirit and this is his physical body. This fits with the gold orb containing Laura's spirit, since we already know her body doesn't yet exist. Also didn't someone notice a Kafka picture on Gordon's opposite wall of a Metamorphosis type creature? It's completely within reason this this creature will evolve in both body and behavior.
Anyway the key for me is that Bob entered through the girl's window.
Laura told Harold that Bob had been having her since she was 12 and that "He comes in through my window at night."
I believe we just witnessed Bob's
first victim.
You're right, Laura when she was alive didn't at all exhibit signs of a creature of light sent down as savior. She was corrupt. Which I find weird. But the Laura lookalike in the red room though, when Cooper asked her if she was Laura, she said she felt like she knew her. Does that mean when the spirit is out of the life, it becomes this self that's unbound by identity? Or was it simply not Laura, but something that wore her appearance?
Also the Laura spirit now seems to be abducted and Coop was told by Leland spirit to find her. The threat to the good spirits haven't really been revealed much. So far it's only been Bob, a threat in the world with his murdering associates.
Laura wasn't corrupt. She was victimized and tortured. I think she was sent as bait, or as someone on FB said, as the honeypot. And after everything, in the end she still resisted letting Bob in.
Bait for what you ask? Yeah, I don't know yet aside from baiting Bob, but for precisely what reason, I no idea.
Given the information about creation of Laura as BOB's visavis and the whole history of her being molested by BOB, i can now see the refference to LORE - Jesus vs Lucifer. Both resisted to temptation(according to biblical mythology). It was quite interesting to receive some answers but there are also many questions. For example:
What is BOB in fact? Was he a human(Robertson - son of Robert), or a spirit from the very beginning?
Boy and Girl - Leland and Sarah(to far from being true, as Leland originated from TP, and those ones were Latin american), or Richard and Linda?
Maybe if we connect the two questions we'll receive an answer. BOB was sent to Earth, but as fetus(or something simmilar) with lumberkacks to guide him, and he needed to be born by human woman?
As of Laura i'm not sure as she was born in 1971, while we can see her fetus(or smth) in 1956.
Lumberjack killer - Jurgen Prochnov in FWWM?
Mother- Experiment - Big Bad? Threating to balance in Universe? If so, then she is even more dangerous than BOB himself, as she was his creator.
And also, P.S. isn't it strange that in the series we can actually see that FBI agents are aware of spirits existence? Blue Rose. Maybe they know smth. about this Experiment? Hint - picture in Cole's office.
I'm gonna stop writting as my head is going blow. It will be interesting to watch further episodes. I guess the truth is out there=))
I have a feeling we were not shown this flashback now by chance. It's 1945 and 1956, but it felt like Mother/Experiment was only vomiting the egg/orb/tumor with BOB BECAUSE it had now been released from Mr. C in the mid 2010's. The giant is old then, and he's young in 1989, Annie has gone back to warn Laura and Major Briggs body is the wrong age, so I really don't think the flashback is necessarily free from interference from later events.
"is it future or is it past?"
So can we confirm the Experiment model is the ''Mother'' ?
I wouldn't confirm that just yet.
"Mother" banging on the door to the place of the eyeless woman, doesn't necessarily mean it will be this Experiment creature.... It's possible, but there hasn't been any indication for it.
The scene also makes it look like Laura was created to fight Bob. Which is new development as Laura never seemed so "powerful" in the show.
Exactly what I thought.
If Laura was fabricated by a mystical entity to be an opposing force to fight evil...
...she sure struggled with her duties.
She won in the end though...I guess that's all the matters.
Wait, Zack. I always thought she lost. ?
Because she died.
There's a theory that Bob was actually trying to possess her, but because she put on the ring, he couldn't and had to kill her, but I don't think Lynch has ever confirmed this theory.
But still, she died, and Bob kept roaming the world the following 25 years.
The glassbox monster was credited as Experiment Model. This episode's similar looking female is credited as just Experiment. Both played by the same actress Erica Eynon.
After seeing Experiment vomiting Bob and many insect-frog eggs, Giant floated up and created Laura, which was then sent down to Earth.
The way the screen showed Earth from outer space may mean the Giant is on another planet.
The scene also makes it look like Laura was created to fight Bob. Which is new development as Laura never seemed so "powerful" in the show.
Also, Mike, Bob's former partner and equal, was not vomited by Experiment, so where did he come from?
Many have suggested that the insect frog is BOB, but he appeared as a black orb/tumor. both in the vomit and when being pulled from MR C by the woodsmen. I believe that the insect from may in fact be MIKE, a similar malevolent spirit, but with a more corporeal agency than BOB which hops from person to person.
Totally agree that insect can't be Bob, orb vs. eggs.
I also don't think the girl was Sarah Palmer, because why would the savior golden orb choose to be born from an infected woman? It's not like it was assigned that it would be born from this particular person.
I don't think one of the insects (and there must be many, seeing all the eggs vomited) is Mike, though. Because Mike seems to be of equal strength with Bob. So if ever Mike is spawned by that Experiment, he would be an orb just like Bob.
You're right, Laura when she was alive didn't at all exhibit signs of a creature of light sent down as savior. She was corrupt. Which I find weird. But the Laura lookalike in the red room though, when Cooper asked her if she was Laura, she said she felt like she knew her. Does that mean when the spirit is out of the life, it becomes this self that's unbound by identity? Or was it simply not Laura, but something that wore her appearance?
Also the Laura spirit now seems to be abducted and Coop was told by Leland spirit to find her. The threat to the good spirits haven't really been revealed much. So far it's only been Bob, a threat in the world with his murdering associates.
Laura wasn't corrupt. She was victimized and tortured. I think she was sent as bait, or as someone on FB said, as the honeypot. And after everything, in the end she still resisted letting Bob in.
Bait for what you ask? Yeah, I don't know yet aside from baiting Bob, but for precisely what reason, I no idea.
She was raped by her possessed father, yes.
But in all her living appearance, I don't think we ever see her as a kind person filled with light. Look at Annie, she has attempted suicide, and yet look how innocent she remains. Laura was manipulative and promiscuous. Slept with everyone and he drugs, all the while keeping it secret to uphold a persona in highschool, family, etc. Even innocent Donna didn't know her. There's something to be said for a corrupt person who let it all out for all to see.
Sorry, don't mean to belittle abuse here. Not saying it won't change a person's character. But I guess what I'm saying is, if the abused Laura was that shiny orb, then Annie would've been a shinier orb.
Given the information about creation of Laura as BOB's visavis and the whole history of her being molested by BOB, i can now see the refference to LORE - Jesus vs Lucifer. Both resisted to temptation(according to biblical mythology). It was quite interesting to receive some answers but there are also many questions. For example:
What is BOB in fact? Was he a human(Robertson - son of Robert), or a spirit from the very beginning?
Boy and Girl - Leland and Sarah(to far from being true, as Leland originated from TP, and those ones were Latin american), or Richard and Linda?
Maybe if we connect the two questions we'll receive an answer. BOB was sent to Earth, but as fetus(or something simmilar) with lumberkacks to guide him, and he needed to be born by human woman?
As of Laura i'm not sure as she was born in 1971, while we can see her fetus(or smth) in 1956.
Lumberjack killer - Jurgen Prochnov in FWWM?
Mother- Experiment - Big Bad? Threating to balance in Universe? If so, then she is even more dangerous than BOB himself, as she was his creator.
And also, P.S. isn't it strange that in the series we can actually see that FBI agents are aware of spirits existence? Blue Rose. Maybe they know smth. about this Experiment? Hint - picture in Cole's office.
I'm gonna stop writting as my head is going blow. It will be interesting to watch further episodes. I guess the truth is out there=))
Agreed girl not Sarah. Agreed the boy looks Latin American. Thanks for telling the fact where Leland originated from. I don't think it's Richard. He was born after Coop came out of the Lodge. What makes you say Richard and Linda?
Hmm, interesting. Laura orb certainly was born by human woman, but she became a human. Bob, we never knew really lived as a human. Could he be the spirit of a person who was once alive? In another thread I was asking around for a seas2 plot thread that went nowhere, about Leland saying he knew Bob as a neighbor at his grampa's house where he used to stay in the summer. I had always assumed that meant the neighbor was the previous host of Bob. But then the name of the neighbor was Robertson.
Why the hell did Lynch abandoned this plot thread? It is so important and it's creepy good!
P.S. Oh the FBI in the show is a wacky bunch, they say Twin Peaks inhabitants are nuts, FBI is nuttier! Screaming Cole, trans Denise, acerbic Albert, now Tammy's butt shake, Diane, Cooper.
Oh, after an orb/eggs are vomited, it seems it could take a decade or more to reach Earth (time flowing differently between dimensions). Might explain Briggs' body's condition - it had been to another place, and came back in a different time. Jeffries too.
I have a feeling we were not shown this flashback now by chance. It's 1945 and 1956, but it felt like Mother/Experiment was only vomiting the egg/orb/tumor with BOB BECAUSE it had now been released from Mr. C in the mid 2010's. The giant is old then, and he's young in 1989, Annie has gone back to warn Laura and Major Briggs body is the wrong age, so I really don't think the flashback is necessarily free from interference from later events.
"is it future or is it past?"
I think the Giant is old in this episode while young in seas1&2 has to do with the actors aging, not with time in the story, Caio.
But yes, Annie also went back through a dream to warn Laura. Time is messed up from one dimension to another.
Yeah, as far as I can tell FWWM was mainly about severely damaging, if not killing, everyone's dreams in the good Laura that guarantees a good Twin Peaks, which is probably why it was hated by many upon its release. The fact that Laura can still be presented as an innocent savior is strange, to say the least........According to cooper and the one armed man, she was not supposed to take the ring, which was presented to her around BOB, the red room, etc. Also, after she finally began to cry about her whole predicament and take it seriously, it takes less than 10 seconds for Jacques to proposition her and send over the truck drivers, and this began the 'fire that cannot be put out', after that party in 'Canada' the angels(the salvation she always wished was true) disappears for the last time, and she just shrugs and gets ready for her night with Jacques and Leo etc.......
Yeah, FWWM was mainly about, as far as I can tell, killing off everyone's dreams in the good Laura, which is probably why it was hated by many upon its release. According to cooper and the one armed man, she was not supposed to take the ring, which was presented to her around BOB, the red room, etc. Also, after she finally began to cry about her whole predicament and take it seriously, it takes less than 10 seconds for Jacques to proposition her and send over the truck drivers, and this began the 'fire that cannot be put out', after that party in 'Canada' the angels(the salvation she always wished was true) disappears for the last time, and she just shrugs and gets ready for her night with Jacques and Leo etc.......
That is the shortest post I've seen you make, Murat! ?
What, no symbolism? ?
Yeah, I saw the original on TV missing many episodes, Murat. And there wasn't any internet to go to to look up meanings and explanations back then. So when I saw FWWM right after, I think I disliked it because I didn't know about the meaning behind everything, the Lodge stuff. Well, when we were little, we couldn't stomach too much bleakness, maybe. But years later, seeing it again after knowing everything, FWWM seemed fine.
I'm not turned off by Laura's damaged behaviour now. It doesn't make a light movie, yes.
I completely believe this is Bob frog. Maybe the orb is his spirit and this is his physical body. This fits with the gold orb containing Laura's spirit, since we already know her body doesn't yet exist. Also didn't someone notice a Kafka picture on Gordon's opposite wall of a Metamorphosis type creature? It's completely within reason this this creature will evolve in both body and behavior.
Anyway the key for me is that Bob entered through the girl's window.
Laura told Harold that Bob had been having her since she was 12 and that "He comes in through my window at night."
I believe we just witnessed Bob's
first victim.
Nice point....the story Metamorphosis: a guy who wants to genuinely create and exert effort is crushed by family and his boss, neither of which appreciate anything to do with him or his efforts. One day he wakes up to find himself as an insect, an annoyance that no one talks to anymore, since he is now a non productive burden costing money, is finally liquidated and killed by his family as an annoyance. This could easily be a story about twin peaks and how they continually ignored Laura's problems, who at some point still wanted to find the 'angels' in her community, a community which basically gave a silent nod of approval to her downfall for their varied reasons of wanting to make Laura into their own possession.
Laura one day woke up to find herself in a nightmare, an insect crushed by the world, and transformed into a sadomasochistic abomination bent on revenge, much like the creature in the glass box and briggs with the head of a woman(the woodsmen were hovering around briggs body as well, whose prints were also found at multiple crime scenes just like Hastings who also had a woodsman). Notice how the woodsmen changed the song from the one about genuine love to their chant, and how the young couple were talking about how they 'liked the song'........now the girl listened to the chant and the bug was able to enter, which will send her on another path, with the chant being forced on her instead of the old song, like the rest of the world. This is all part of the 'experiment', I argue, that is imposed by the utilization of nothingness(black inside, splitting the atom, etc.) as if it is something that can be taken as property, and imposed on the world as a sort of experiment to create a model person which will bend to capitalist tyranny, (notice how the billionaire doesnt want anything comeing out of the red room which he cannot control or use for his own profits, bars good cooper, and this is the dark underside of government surveillance, etc.)......which turns people either into corrupted passive sleepwalkers who dont care about things happening to people like laura(as long as they can fool themselves that some good laura exists), or turns them into the woodsmen type, like Richard Horne, Mr. C, BOB, Laura, etc, who want whats on Mr. C's card, the black inside, to possess the void; thus driving them to monstrous extremes as they grasp to hold onto something that is not there, for example, the junkie waiting for Dougie to return......
I think this episode and the woodsmen running everywhere are about generalizing BOB as sort of a 'social spirit' that emerged as an attempt to cover up the void by seeking to utilize the void for personal power/profit affections at the expense of the world, imposed by an idea that spreads throughout the world, on the radio, at the convenience store; its not just BOB as an individual ghost that does this, everyone gets seduced, BOB is sort of an extreme example of an idea that realizes itself in different modes and people throughout the world.......
Fire walk with