Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
119 reminds me of the neighbor in The Straight Story who screams,"What's the number for 911."
The envelopes for Ike the Spike remind me of the silver dollars and envelopes "with all the particulars" left for Mr. Reindeer in Wild at Heart.
The scene with Sonny Jim in bed reminds me of the boy in The Grandmother.
The mother holding her dead child in the street reminded me of the famous scene in Rome Open City where Anna Magnani dies and is held by the priest and her son. That film is directed by Roberto Rossellini, the father of, yes, Dorothy Valens/Isabella Rossellini in BV and Conchita in Wild At Heart.
While originally run by ABC, CBS owns rights to original TP show, and CBS runs Showtime.
Agent Cooper will come back, but as Kyle M. has said, he won't be an exact copy of 90's Cooper. Everyone changes, and Coop has gone through a LOT more than most humans.
How can the electric pole No. 6 be in Twin peaks?
In the Mark Frost's book it says in the 80s Carl came back to Twin Peaks and became the manager and co-owner of the Fat Trout Trailer Park (so for the book the FWWM part with carl and agent Desmond don't fit anywhere)
AND even though we don't take account of the book, the NEW Fat Trout can be a stretched script device to put Carl in TP, but even though I "accept" that, you CAN move a trailer park, you definitely CANT move an electric pole with you.
After this finding I find it hard to let it go and enjoy
It seems incorrect
You can't have EVERYTHING exactly the same location as so many years ago in shooting such a story, creative compromise has to be made.
The book is not canon to TP, David has said that's Mark Frosts's idea of TP, he hasn't read it. Though one or two ideas made it into the new show ( Tamara Preston being one ).
I didn't dislike the episodes in fact I loved a few scenes. I'm frustrated a little by so many more questions and no answers and I'm being patient because I completely understand that this is a movie laid out over 18 hours. BUT it is a little frustrating to get these bits and pieces, no followup on some of the previous stories like Matthew Lillards principal and the murders there. Naomi Watts however is magnificent and that whole scene with her, dougie and then dougie and sunny Jim made me die laughing because it's just so so insane. I love it.
BUT it is a little frustrating to get these bits and pieces, no followup on some of the previous stories like Matthew Lillards principal and the murders there.
This. I mean, it's not even been a month since the premiere and I had totally forgotten the principal being arrested.
I wonder if Lynch's grand vision is some Bulgakov-like (Master & Margaret) build up where all the subplots merge as one unified, coherent big picture towards the end. Mulholland Drive seemed one of those movies that you could easily watch it second time a row, and personally I would've viewed that movie very differently knowing the ending. I'm guessing the same thing might happen for Season 03. If not, then all the hype for TP returning was a big disappointment.
It had a lot of good lines:
"Jade give two rides",
"F**k Gene Kelly, you Motherf*****r",
"Diane (slow turn around)",
"We are the 99 percenters and we are s**t on enough"
All brought big smiles to my face. "Jade give two rides" made me laugh out loud.
The only bit that really grated for me was the extras acting when the kid got run over.
I thought the actual crash was horrifying and very, very effective but the van driver (who waved them across) was a terrible actor, the second he put his head in hand with no real emotion, I was taken out of the moment. It then made me look at the rest of the on lookers and it suddenly turned into a GCSE theatre studies project.
Other than this scene I found it a pretty good episode, not the best to be sure, but solid.
Yeah, the acting right there was a bit "meh" - from most of the crowd, not just the guy in the van. However, when it's this kind of bad acting (basically: extras sucking at emoting) I just boil it down to the fact that some people, in reale life, do have weird, unappropriate ways to express emotions. I do agree, however, that the lingering on the crowd would've worked better is some of those 'actors' actually... acted. But this is minor nitpicking: all in all, this episode was just as great as the others.
A couple of points:
I posited a theory on the Part 5 board regarding the blue key. At the time, I thought that the whole "Dougie" plotline was an extended dream sequence and that the "real" Coop is still in the lodge. I still think this is the case. The One-Armed Man tells Coop to wake up. Coop can't wake up until he solves the mystery in the dream world that will help him escae the lodge.
Now, to the criticisms of the show so far. It's not perfect, but I'm enjoying it. Sometimes the pacing may be too slow, but that's Lynch, I suppose. The extra locations are a bit problematic. It's hard to recognise the show as being "Twin Peaks" when a lot of it takes place outside the town. Part of the original charm of the show was that Twin Peaks existed in a different time and place from the wider world. Hopefully the focus will return to the town.
Lastly, my own criticism. After the horrid-looking Inland Empire, I was happy to hear that Lynch wanted to return to film shooting. When it was announced that the show would be shot digitally, I hoped that the feel and look would be flattering to the material. Personally, I loathe and despise digital cinematography. To clean, too clinical. Too video-like. The look of new TP was extremely jarring at first and although I have become more used to it, it still doesn't sit right. Like when Peter Jackson did The Hobbit at 48fps, the illusion is shattered and the super -clear picture feels like you're looking at actors on a set. Like an expensively-shot behind the scenes DVD extra. I tried, I really did, but I think shooting on digital was a mistake.
My thoughts exactly. I also think the world of DougieCoop isn't real either. Noticed that no one notices his odd behaviors, not even his wife, and she admitted last episode that these have been going on for sometime. Yet somehow Dougie is able to having a stable career, family, etc.
Ever since they showed DougieCoop I always thought that he must've been trapped in a world like "The Truman Show." Too good to be true for real. Thus, I think the real Cooper has been in a comatose stage ever since the events of S2 finale and MIKE's calling him to "wake up...Don't die" (like speaking to a comatose patient) seems to reinforce this as well.
David doesn't do simplistic "it was all a dream" type stories.
David doesn't do simplistic "it was all a dream" type stories.
Oh, I'm sorry: I didn't realize you personally knew the man - must be a cool acquaintance, but this still doesn't make you the "be all, end all" authority on such matters. If you have your own interpretations or theories, great, make you argument and more power to you but this kind of comments are just toxic for a healthy conversation in what is, you know, a discussion board.
I didn't dislike the episodes in fact I loved a few scenes. I'm frustrated a little by so many more questions and no answers and I'm being patient because I completely understand that this is a movie laid out over 18 hours. BUT it is a little frustrating to get these bits and pieces, no followup on some of the previous stories like Matthew Lillards principal and the murders there. Naomi Watts however is magnificent and that whole scene with her, dougie and then dougie and sunny Jim made me die laughing because it's just so so insane. I love it.
Agree that the Lillard plotline has been neglected far too long, and several others have barely advanced at all over the last few episodes: Cole/Albert/Diane has got about 2 minutes of screen time in the last 2 hours; what is going on with the fingerprints; and the glass box? These were really effective concepts but have been neglected. I think the strategy of splitting it into 18 episodes isn't totally working.
What was most disappointing to me in this episode was the lack of Lynchian tension. In Ep 1 the Glass Box scene was a masterpiece in the way the tension and unsettling feeling built, and then was capped off with a stunning coup de grace. Compare with the mad dwarf killing Johanna Ray - wasn't there some scope for directing from the woman's perspective so she could here something happening as he rampaged through the building. I thought it was over too quickly, and was botched. Ditto Hawk finding Laura's missing pages (down the back of the Gents door? Really?)
You can ask anyone who knows his works.
Im new here but I'm really enjoying the interaction and reading everyone's thoughts on the show so far. How lucky are we to have a tv show that can be watched and rewatched and discussed like you would apon waking from a dream!! Lynch has succeeded by this alone . This season really feels closer to FWWM in tone and I really think it's a perfect update to the first few seasons. Like others here I'm finding the Dougie/Coop thing abit slow and frustrating but it seems to me that all that's happening will be majorly important later on. I. Think we're seeing the events that are building to another murder mystery happening again in twin peaks. I can't forget the school girl running out of school right in the first episode. I'm really hoping for tiny letters under fingernails again or something similar and I'm wondering if Laura is gonna show up again. Just one thought , could Ike the Spike possibley be connected to the original Arm ??? Did anyone think the lady in the Coops dream escape looked abit like Josie ?? Kinda oriential ??? And I think in episode one there was a strange close up on a door knob .....
BUT it is a little frustrating to get these bits and pieces, no followup on some of the previous stories like Matthew Lillards principal and the murders there.
This. I mean, it's not even been a month since the premiere and I had totally forgotten the principal being arrested.
I wonder if Lynch's grand vision is some Bulgakov-like (Master & Margaret) build up where all the subplots merge as one unified, coherent big picture towards the end. Mulholland Drive seemed one of those movies that you could easily watch it second time a row, and personally I would've viewed that movie very differently knowing the ending. I'm guessing the same thing might happen for Season 03. If not, then all the hype for TP returning was a big disappointment.
I'm with you both! This is why I think there have been to many pointless scenes that just seem to "steal" valuable screen time from the main plotlines. I'm beginning to doubt that any of the scenes from the actual town of Twin Peaks will lead anywhere, except for "Hawk's quest." I do however realize that it would be strange not to show anything from Twin Peaks now that the show is returning, but this Dr Jacoby thing?! Really? And Ben & Jerry? But the strangest thing of all was the first 19 minutes of episode 6. Soooo slow, and only showing Dougies struggle.
I really hope we will return to the arrested principal in episode 7, since the Military is looking up Major Briggs' fingerprints.
I remember that David Lynch initially said something about that they would call this new series Twin Peaks, but it wouldn't actually take place there.
From all I've seen so far, that was probably his original vision.
I am fully intending on a weekend long binge in September (it'd take two days to do it with toilet and food breaks). I think it'd do it justice to not only watch it episodic as we are now but also as an 18 hour length film.
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