Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
Still seeing possible homages (or spoofs of) other shows. Dexter had the Ice-Truck Killer, TP the ice-pick killer. Richard's reactions in sampling the "product" looked just like Tuco doing the same in Breaking Bad...
I think we may be seeing the point of contention between Lynch and Showtime from two years ago that may have nearly caused The Return to implode. At this point in his career I trust Lynch and while frustrating at times I'm willing to give him the time to develop the Dougie/Good Coop at his own pace since there has to be a huge payoff coming. On the other hand Showtime has invested millions on the revival of a 25 year old cult series from another network. I doubt they would have compromised and given Lynch the extra budget and 9+ more hours of airtime if the most marketable part of this revivial; Kyle Maclachlan returning as Dale Cooper, didn't actually occur.
From what I remember, the 'bone of contention" was over budget. I couldn't find budget figures, but as TPR was shot in U.S. they would be high. We also don't have Showtime's new subscription figures, but they have a good chance of going into profit by the time dvd and blu-ray sales are factored. I agree that a big reveal on Cooper is actually coming, think we must be a lot closer to that now, with Mike's command to "wake up"-classic Lynchian suspense mode....
I don't think Cooper / Dougie made no progress, by revealing something he doesn't understand to Dougie's boss, it was cool to see Cooper regaining his intuition, that's a big step forward.
For me, and I am no fanboy of David Lynch's, (I have not seen any of his movies), I have been entertained well by all of The Return so far. The snail speed pacing and slow character development is in the DNA of Twin Peaks and when forced to leave that I think the product is poor, like it was in the second season. This episode was very good as it advanced many plot lines, including Dougie in that we know he is once again in mortal danger and the tension that creates is not only for him, but for his "wife," and "son," with the maniacal Ike the Spike.
The Agent Cooper we all know may come about next week, in episode 17 or never. Anyone who knows how Lynch wanted to approach Twin Peaks back when it was on ABC should have this attitude given he never wanted to have a who-done-it surrounding Laura Palmer in the first place.
A couple of points:
I posited a theory on the Part 5 board regarding the blue key. At the time, I thought that the whole "Dougie" plotline was an extended dream sequence and that the "real" Coop is still in the lodge. I still think this is the case. The One-Armed Man tells Coop to wake up. Coop can't wake up until he solves the mystery in the dream world that will help him escae the lodge.
Now, to the criticisms of the show so far. It's not perfect, but I'm enjoying it. Sometimes the pacing may be too slow, but that's Lynch, I suppose. The extra locations are a bit problematic. It's hard to recognise the show as being "Twin Peaks" when a lot of it takes place outside the town. Part of the original charm of the show was that Twin Peaks existed in a different time and place from the wider world. Hopefully the focus will return to the town.
Lastly, my own criticism. After the horrid-looking Inland Empire, I was happy to hear that Lynch wanted to return to film shooting. When it was announced that the show would be shot digitally, I hoped that the feel and look would be flattering to the material. Personally, I loathe and despise digital cinematography. To clean, too clinical. Too video-like. The look of new TP was extremely jarring at first and although I have become more used to it, it still doesn't sit right. Like when Peter Jackson did The Hobbit at 48fps, the illusion is shattered and the super -clear picture feels like you're looking at actors on a set. Like an expensively-shot behind the scenes DVD extra. I tried, I really did, but I think shooting on digital was a mistake.
I dont know why some people found this episode boring or not as good as the other ones..
Of course each of us has each own tastes and preferences but i really like this one as much as the previous.
First of all we get to see Diane even though for a few seconds. So.. Laura Dern it is! and i'm so hyped!
Dougie draws on the file cases what it looked to not make any sense but his boss got it.
Janey-E is such a badass! especially in the scene in the park where she gives the money after her speech, sometimes she is harsh on Dougie but we really dont know how he behaved before, we know he was gambling and cheating so i can't blame her.
Hawk finds the missing pages!
Richard and Red scene was awesome!
Carl Rodd back again! but the mother-son scene was so sad
We get the first info about Linda
Ike the Spike knows how to do business..
Overall a great episode for me 😉
How can the electric pole No. 6 be in Twin peaks?
In the Mark Frost's book it says in the 80s Carl came back to Twin Peaks and became the manager and co-owner of the Fat Trout Trailer Park (so for the book the FWWM part with carl and agent Desmond don't fit anywhere)
AND even though we don't take account of the book, the NEW Fat Trout can be a stretched script device to put Carl in TP, but even though I "accept" that, you CAN move a trailer park, you definitely CANT move an electric pole with you.
After this finding I find it hard to let it go and enjoy
It seems incorrect
my thoughts:
- Ike the Spike (the icepick killer) was working for Mr Todd based on the envelope his assignment came in.
- ike the spike's first target was the lady who'd hired hitmen to kill evil coop. 2nd target is good coop. based on this, Mr Todd is working for Evil Coop and evil coop is the "I hope you never have someone like him in your life"
- Diane's hair reminds me of Leland Palmer's hair. there's probably no actual connection unless she had a run-in with evil coop sometime in the past 25 years (which could be why she is out of contact and has to be found at her favorite bar)
When Mr Todds computer screen flashed red, it made me think that he might be taking orders from Red. Also, Red seems like he could be an intimidating person, given that he can do magic 😉
How can the electric pole No. 6 be in Twin peaks?
In the Mark Frost's book it says in the 80s Carl came back to Twin Peaks and became the manager and co-owner of the Fat Trout Trailer Park (so for the book the FWWM part with carl and agent Desmond don't fit anywhere)
AND even though we don't take account of the book, the NEW Fat Trout can be a stretched script device to put Carl in TP, but even though I "accept" that, you CAN move a trailer park, you definitely CANT move an electric pole with you.
After this finding I find it hard to let it go and enjoy
It seems incorrect
I just watched it, but can't remember all the details sorry.
Can we be sure that the pole was actually IN Twin Peaks? We only saw the pole right?
my thoughts:
- Ike the Spike (the icepick killer) was working for Mr Todd based on the envelope his assignment came in.
- ike the spike's first target was the lady who'd hired hitmen to kill evil coop. 2nd target is good coop. based on this, Mr Todd is working for Evil Coop and evil coop is the "I hope you never have someone like him in your life"
- Diane's hair reminds me of Leland Palmer's hair. there's probably no actual connection unless she had a run-in with evil coop sometime in the past 25 years (which could be why she is out of contact and has to be found at her favorite bar)
The envelope looked open when the killer got it. And Todd looked yrev very interested in that envelope...
Man, I can't wait! This episode was very emotional, for different reasons. But you can (well I did anyway) really feel Dougie's struggles. And when I watched it, I felt him move forward.
Haha, I never knew one hour could go by so fast!
That specific pole is so important to me because it was part of one of the most mesmerizing parts of FWWM when Carl talking to Desmond says "Look, I've already gone places. I just wanna be where I am". i think they cut twice at that specific pole, and it is a clear hint to the fact that electricity is a vehicle for the supernatural forces to move from place to place.
The fact is that in the movie that pole was clearly at the Fat Trout Trailer Park in Deer Meadow, and not in Twin peaks.
You are right Kim, we just see the pole, but it would be outta place to show a pole in another town, when we hear the "red room" noise from the pole right after the accident happened, like a "omen" or like it is linked to the fact that people from the lodge harvest "bad" energy (as in pain and suffering - garmonbozia) , as if it is "sucking" that bad energy in, or, in some ways it is related to that.
It puzzles me so bad
Maybe the Dougie/Coop thing is somewhat slow (or am I too eager?) – but then I realized that the last time we see him in this episode he has his black suit back on. Surely that must be a good sign? It's signature Coop, after all...
my thoughts:
- Ike the Spike (the icepick killer) was working for Mr Todd based on the envelope his assignment came in.
- ike the spike's first target was the lady who'd hired hitmen to kill evil coop. 2nd target is good coop. based on this, Mr Todd is working for Evil Coop and evil coop is the "I hope you never have someone like him in your life"
- Diane's hair reminds me of Leland Palmer's hair. there's probably no actual connection unless she had a run-in with evil coop sometime in the past 25 years (which could be why she is out of contact and has to be found at her favorite bar)
1) It makes sense, as he received the same envelop Mr. Todd was handling.
2) Lorraine wasn't hired to kill Evil Coop. Her thugs were looking for Dougie, not Mr. C. She's probably killed because she Mr. C found out that someone wanted Dougie dead (probably Jeffries, as she tries to reach out to him). Mr. C didn't want Dougie to die before Coop came out of the lodge, because otherwise he would have been pulled in. So I don't think the woman was after Mr. C but Dougie for 2 reasons: A) Mr. C is a lodge being/spirit, thus a way more powerful threat and with a lot more resources to work with. B) By killing Dougie, the doppelganger Coop (Mr. C) goes back to the lodge anyway. This is why I think Jeffries told Coop on the phone-like device "you're going back tomorrow and I will be with BOB again".
3) I don't think it has anything to do with Leland or Mr. C.
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On regards of TP S3:
Lynch has delivered like no one could have ever imagined. People are going crazy about what's happened, what's happening and what could possibly happen. It's the most surreal thing you'll ever be able to watch on TV in, like, ever. Many people complain about not being able to understand the whys and wheres, people complaining about the plotlines, and how far fetched some stuff seems- Guess what? Back 1990 a red dressed dancing dwarf, a clue providing Giant, a denim dressed murdering Spirit and a one armed possessed man on the hunt for other spirits wasn't easy to digest either.
We have the mistery of season 1, the lore of season 2 and the darkness of the movie. What's not to love?
This season is pure gold.
Personally (and I accept I'm in the minority here) I loved E06. So many storylines made real progress, we got to learn alot about new characters, finally saw Laura Dern and (an award winning performance by) Harry Dean Stanton and Coop back in the suit. And thats not to mention Red, Linda, and of course Hawk finding the missing pages.
One of the best episodes so far
Still seeing possible homages (or spoofs of) other shows. Dexter had the Ice-Truck Killer, TP the ice-pick killer. Richard's reactions in sampling the "product" looked just like Tuco doing the same in Breaking Bad...
It seems that this season is packed with intertextual references to other series, books and movies. (I.e. this week's Gene Kelly one-liner, and someone spotting that the book Sonny Jim was reading turned out "Secret of the Old Mill" possibly referencing Packard Sawmill) Also Dougie busting a casino reminded me of Rainman with his repetitive speech antics.
As for the third season in general, I'm starting a bit to lose faith here. I mean honestly, I don't even compherend what should be the "main plot" in the 6 hours I've seen. In the golden age of Twin Peaks the main plot was summarized to one question, who killed Laura Palmer? Perhaps I'm a little lost with all the new characters, especially since more characters keep coming up every episode - and I haven't seen FWWM, albeit that's about to change this week. I'm guessing the Dougie-Cooper recovery is the story all these first episode murders, mystery cube & mutilations, drugged up women etc. start revolving.
Anyone else think it's possibility that some of the characters that have gone unnamed in the end credits (i.e. drugged up mom) are either a) same character that has already been introduced in the series but that scene is either pre- or post x years. (I.e. not every scene we're witnessing is happening in the same year) b) or some parallel universe "what if" like Mulholland Drive style?
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