Really David Lynch said it himself that we get to make up stuff the way we see it.
That's just one interpretation and not even close to definitive. Sorry.
So that's not much of a discussion now is it? When you present a statement like that, it's taken more into consideration if you back it up with cohesive rationale rather than saying "nah""." Everyone's theories on here are valid. And it's totally expexted and welcomed to challenge each one. But to just dismiss with nothing to back it up, is not really participating in an intelligent debate. Yes, this is one of many interpretations, which is why I call it interpretations or theories. The only thing that is definitive is what we don't know. We do not know what Judy is and we don't know what her/intent is. Anyone that says otherwise is doing so on presumptuous faith, which is fine. I prefer to to base my interpretation with more of the empirical evidence, albeit not much of an abundance of. I disagree with people who say that season 3 was NOT a dream, but I respect it and then explain why I disagree.
Really David Lynch said it himself that we get to make up stuff the way we see it.
While that's true, I think most people are wondering what the creators' intent/interpretation is here. If everyone was 100% satisfied with their own interpretation, there would probably be a lot less people on here...and I imagine these discussions to go on for quite some time.
Coop did what he needed to do, he successfully found laura, woke her up, and destroyed judy in a self sacrifice. Good coop still lives on with JANEY E as a tulpa but hes still there
Explain to me, who is Judy ? You mean that frog moth that entered little girl mouth ? And then you belive it's Sarah Palmer ? OR maybe this one from experiment cage ? Watch again when this powerful goddess being split off this eggs. There are hundreds of it. So in this experiment cage we can see Judy from another egg. Sarah is only one egg. Judy's are hundreds. Now...you belive that Fireman sent Laura orb to destroy only ONE egg in sacrifice ? Please be serious. When he watch this on the screen, he see hundreds eggs, AND one BOB orb. That the moment when he pause film. He don't pause because he see Sarah Palmer egg, but he see BOB. So all this story with destroying one egg living in Sarah Palmer sounds like bullshit.
"Coop did what he needed to do, he successfully found laura, woke her up, and destroyed judy in a self sacrifice."
Evidence, please.
Here's the detailed theory.
Absolutely everything we know about 430-land is premised on the instructions of the Giant/?????: the Giant showed Andy the 6 on the telephone pole; he also told Cooper about Richard and Linda. The intent of the mission, then must be good.
I was (sort of) thinking along these lines, but there's another possibility. They may not be instructions: they may be reminders - of things Coop has already done, with or without permission. Recall that the Giant precedes all this with "Remember." I've thought the "clues" may actually be landmarks for retracing his steps out of whatever he's gotten himself into. As in: "Remember: You drove 430 miles to get here, so that's how far you'll have to drive to get out." Coop also says, "I understand" - which might make more sense if he's focusing on things that have already happened, not puzzling out cryptic clues on the spot.
I don't remember all the details, but someone made the case that the scene with the Giant comes at the very end of everything, and the rest of the show is essentially one long flashback. I don't know if this is right, but you could think it's like Coop has been summoned to the principal's office to be called to account for something he's done and told to make amends. "It is in our house now" starts to sound like "Look what you did."
Yes, that's another possibility.
If this scene happens after the ending, it gives everything he said new meanings.
"Listen to this sounds" It was the sound of the beginning of the end, where you altered history.
"It is in our house now" This sentence is very sad. When you unleashed this catastrophe, it invaded our house. It is in our house, now.
"It is?" He is clueless.
"It all cannot be said aloud now" If I say more, it could hear us and this would have more negative consequences.
"Remember 430, Richard and Linda" You've altered things you shouldn't have.
"Two birds with one stone" You have awaken Laura which should've stay asleep, and awaken Judy which unleashed this catastrophe upon us.
"I understand" which he clearly doesn't, sadly. His good intentions paved the road to hell.
"You are far away" You don't understand.
And we see him getting erased. This effect can only be seen in two other scenes. When Laura's body disappear from the shore, and when Coop appears in the forest to take Laura home.
Where does he go from there? No clue. But considering the somber, sad tone of this season, I don't think he went somewhere good.
Coop did what he needed to do, he successfully found laura, woke her up, and destroyed judy in a self sacrifice. Good coop still lives on with JANEY E as a tulpa but hes still there
The only ting worse than being condescending as your are being is to be so wrong at the same time. How is the manufactured Coop the good Coop, that makes no sense. How was Judy destroyed? There is nothing to suggest Judy was destroyed, quite the opposite. Plus there were many more elements to be confused about besides these two you wrongly tried to explain to us "confused" folk.
That's just one interpretation and not even close to definitive. Sorry.
So that's not much of a discussion now is it? When you present a statement like that, it's taken more into consideration if you back it up with cohesive rationale rather than saying "nah""." Everyone's theories on here are valid. And it's totally expexted and welcomed to challenge each one. But to just dismiss with nothing to back it up, is not really participating in an intelligent debate. Yes, this is one of many interpretations, which is why I call it interpretations or theories. The only thing that is definitive is what we don't know. We do not know what Judy is and we don't know what her/intent is. Anyone that says otherwise is doing so on presumptuous faith, which is fine. I prefer to to base my interpretation with more of the empirical evidence, albeit not much of an abundance of. I disagree with people who say that season 3 was NOT a dream, but I respect it and then explain why I disagree.
I think your comment is misdirected. The original poster wondered why the ending is confusing, as if there is only one interpretation possible. That is a massive oversimplification of a very ambiguous ending. The poster's theory is possible. Just add it to the list with the other 5000 valid theories.
That's just one interpretation and not even close to definitive. Sorry.
So that's not much of a discussion now is it? When you present a statement like that, it's taken more into consideration if you back it up with cohesive rationale rather than saying "nah""." Everyone's theories on here are valid. And it's totally expexted and welcomed to challenge each one. But to just dismiss with nothing to back it up, is not really participating in an intelligent debate. Yes, this is one of many interpretations, which is why I call it interpretations or theories. The only thing that is definitive is what we don't know. We do not know what Judy is and we don't know what her/intent is. Anyone that says otherwise is doing so on presumptuous faith, which is fine. I prefer to to base my interpretation with more of the empirical evidence, albeit not much of an abundance of. I disagree with people who say that season 3 was NOT a dream, but I respect it and then explain why I disagree.
I think your comment is misdirected. The original poster wondered why the ending is confusing, as if there is only one interpretation possible. That is a massive oversimplification of a very ambiguous ending. The poster's theory is possible. Just add it to the list with the other 5000 valid theories.
Entirely this. Without evidence - as opposed to opinion or interpretation - it's just another idea, and as valid (or not) as any other.
Yes, that's another possibility.
If this scene happens after the ending, it gives everything he said new meanings.
"Listen to this sounds" It was the sound of the beginning of the end, where you altered history.
"It is in our house now" This sentence is very sad. When you unleashed this catastrophe, it invaded our house. It is in our house, now.
"It is?" He is clueless.
"It all cannot be said aloud now" If I say more, it could hear us and this would have more negative consequences.
"Remember 430, Richard and Linda" You've altered things you shouldn't have.
"Two birds with one stone" You have awaken Laura which should've stay asleep, and awaken Judy which unleashed this catastrophe upon us.
"I understand" which he clearly doesn't, sadly. His good intentions paved the road to hell.
"You are far away" You don't understand.
And we see him getting erased. This effect can only be seen in two other scenes. When Laura's body disappear from the shore, and when Coop appears in the forest to take Laura home.
Where does he go from there? No clue. But considering the somber, sad tone of this season, I don't think he went somewhere good.
I think something similiar. That scene is last one. Why he failed ? Because he didn't remember Richard and Linda. That wasn't his mission to go with Carrie to Palmers House. If we for a moment think about it. There is no Linda in that mission. And Fireman say only this as something important. For me it is obvious that he should say something else if this one would be a mission. Something like "Remember, Carrie and Tremond". That one would have sense, to remember to go Carrie and to Tremond house. But Richard and Linda did NOTHING in this last episode. NOTHING. Without those names, he still would be visiting Judy's and Carrie house. That wasn't mission. He saw Laura Palmer and was like "your home is in Twin Peaks, I will get you there". But he didn't expect to see her.
Last thing, Fireman show something to Andy. It was his mission. There is no point to show to Andy electric pole 6. Because he never even told about it to Cooper. I think it could be warning, electric pole 6 was in FWWM connected to Desmond missing, and we hear there sound of little man/the arm, and Desmond car "Let's rock". All I can say, again Cooper was tricked. And yes he is "far away" from the truth.
And we see him getting erased. This effect can only be seen in two other scenes. When Laura's body disappear from the shore, and when Coop appears in the forest to take Laura home.
Where does he go from there? No clue. But considering the somber, sad tone of this season, I don't think he went somewhere good.
It can be this moment where he go. Fireman send him to this forest, to repeat everything. If not there, no sense to tell him REMEMBER. If he erased him, no sense to remember Richard and Linda. He need to repeat mission. This scenes when he walk with Laura from ep17 and ep18 can show us different loop. Maybe that's why Lynch repeated this scene that long in ep18 again. And last one when she again whispering him to ear. He has a terrible face. Maybe he hear "dude, you completly screw up, it is in our house now, Fireman wasn't joking".
That's just one interpretation and not even close to definitive. Sorry.
So that's not much of a discussion now is it? When you present a statement like that, it's taken more into consideration if you back it up with cohesive rationale rather than saying "nah""." Everyone's theories on here are valid. And it's totally expexted and welcomed to challenge each one. But to just dismiss with nothing to back it up, is not really participating in an intelligent debate. Yes, this is one of many interpretations, which is why I call it interpretations or theories. The only thing that is definitive is what we don't know. We do not know what Judy is and we don't know what her/intent is. Anyone that says otherwise is doing so on presumptuous faith, which is fine. I prefer to to base my interpretation with more of the empirical evidence, albeit not much of an abundance of. I disagree with people who say that season 3 was NOT a dream, but I respect it and then explain why I disagree.
I think your comment is misdirected. The original poster wondered why the ending is confusing, as if there is only one interpretation possible. That is a massive oversimplification of a very ambiguous ending. The poster's theory is possible. Just add it to the list with the other 5000 valid theories.
Got you; I misunderstood who your post was directed to. And agreed, the original post states a major oversimplification of something that requires a huge presumptuous leap.
Coop did what he needed to do, he successfully found laura, woke her up, and destroyed judy in a self sacrifice. Good coop still lives on with JANEY E as a tulpa but hes still there
I am still not getting where people are coming up with the "destroyed judy" theory. Please somebody explain the evidence or even the inclination that Judy was destroyed.
My take on it is that Cooper crossing over into the Richard and Linda reality to find Laura/Carrie was always part of the plan - I've posted elsewhere about the evidence for this.
But yes I agree that it's not possible to say whether they succeeded in what they were trying to do - and as other people have posted, we can't say for sure what the nature of Judy is (even if we can join some dots together).
The ending is clearly meant to be ambiguous and open to interpretation by the viewer, so in that sense I also don't think there is anything wrong with concluding that they destroyed Judy - any more than concluding that they failed, or that they were simply left stranded in another dimension etc.. I personally saw the ending as being more of a cliffhanger.
Can you point me in the direction of the theory about "the cage and the Bomb?" I must have missed that one.
Here it is. It was posted on this forum before, but it's probably pretty far down now and seems worth re-posting on this thread so people know where the OP is (probably) coming from.
Yeah, I did read that some time ago. It got buried with the 6 dozen other theories that came out of supposed reputable and/or reliable sources. Seemed just as soluble as all the others. 🙂
It seems to be all breaking down to the true believers and their factions. The theorizers and the ponderers and those who just want to discuss it seem to be fading away and only the dogma is left.
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