Sorry if this theory has already been put forth 10 times, but there's way too many threads to read 😛
I read a couple facts this evening that made me put a theory together. That theory is that we, the viewers, are the dreamer, and episode 18 took place partly in the real world [our universe]. Not the fictional Twin Peaks world.
The woman who answered the door at Laura Palmer's house at the end, is actually the real owner of the house. Also, in the later half of the episode, while Cooper/Richard was locating Laura and bringing her home, there are several business/product placements that can be seen, sometimes, I would argue, even focused on. From my memory its not common for product placement on the show, but I could be wrong. Just in a few short minutes we see the following: Coca Cola [pretty centrally placed while Cooper puts the guns in the deep fryer], Heinz Tomato sauce, tobasco sauce, Valero, Maersk Container, and Lincoln Town Car. I could be wrong, I'd have to watch again, but I think the toilet paper that was centrally placed while he talked to "Carrie Page" in her house had its product name visible.
I'm wondering if the driving scenes that were pre-motel were not actually connected to the driving scenes post-motel. It was obviously a different motel when cooper left, and maybe the scenes were just put together in that order to deceive us. The version of Cooper who read the note from "Linda" may have had nothing to do with the version of Cooper seen exiting the motel seconds later. Maybe that later version was at least partially in OUR world.
In the world of Twin Peaks, the RR Diner is located on the corner of Main and Falls Avenue, I believe. In episode 18 when they drive past it, they clearly show the street sign [has this ever been shown before??], and it says Bengido Blvd. This is real intersection where the restaurant is located. Moments later, he drives her to Laura Palmer's house, and who answers the door?? The REAL owner, in our world.
Secondly, the actor who played Audrey's love interest in S2 was named Billy Zane. And Audrey keeps asking for a missing "Billy". Is Audrey also now living in OUR world but has gone insane? Confusing characters for their actors, and just generally mixed up? Then she "wakes up" at the end in a white environment with a mirror. In our world?? With the mirror showing who she really is?
Lastly, Cole's dream involved real world actress Monica Bellucci, who says they are like dreamers who dream and then live inside the dream. "But who is the dreamer?" Then she motions for Cole to turn around and look at something. Of course he sees the FWWM scene, but did he really turn around to look at US?? Towards where the camera was at that time?
This theory has flaws, such as the fact that no 'Judy's Diner' exists in Odessa Tx. But a Judy K's does lol. Also Cooper, Laura, and Audrey's names were not Kyle, Sherilyn and Sheryl in that 'real' world. But of course that would have been way too obvious....and Lynch's style is not to make things straight forward like that.
Thoughts?
I still think Pieter is the dreamer.
It could be Bob Newhart.
or Rip van winkle
Sorry if this theory has already been put forth 10 times, but there's way too many threads to read 😛
I read a couple facts this evening that made me put a theory together. That theory is that we, the viewers, are the dreamer, and episode 18 took place partly in the real world [our universe]. Not the fictional Twin Peaks world.
The woman who answered the door at Laura Palmer's house at the end, is actually the real owner of the house. Also, in the later half of the episode, while Cooper/Richard was locating Laura and bringing her home, there are several business/product placements that can be seen, sometimes, I would argue, even focused on. From my memory its not common for product placement on the show, but I could be wrong. Just in a few short minutes we see the following: Coca Cola [pretty centrally placed while Cooper puts the guns in the deep fryer], Heinz Tomato sauce, tobasco sauce, Valero, Maersk Container, and Lincoln Town Car. I could be wrong, I'd have to watch again, but I think the toilet paper that was centrally placed while he talked to "Carrie Page" in her house had its product name visible.
I'm wondering if the driving scenes that were pre-motel were not actually connected to the driving scenes post-motel. It was obviously a different motel when cooper left, and maybe the scenes were just put together in that order to deceive us. The version of Cooper who read the note from "Linda" may have had nothing to do with the version of Cooper seen exiting the motel seconds later. Maybe that later version was at least partially in OUR world.
In the world of Twin Peaks, the RR Diner is located on the corner of Main and Falls Avenue, I believe. In episode 18 when they drive past it, they clearly show the street sign [has this ever been shown before??], and it says Bengido Blvd. This is real intersection where the restaurant is located. Moments later, he drives her to Laura Palmer's house, and who answers the door?? The REAL owner, in our world.
Secondly, the actor who played Audrey's love interest in S2 was named Billy Zane. And Audrey keeps asking for a missing "Billy". Is Audrey also now living in OUR world but has gone insane? Confusing characters for their actors, and just generally mixed up? Then she "wakes up" at the end in a white environment with a mirror. In our world?? With the mirror showing who she really is?
Lastly, Cole's dream involved real world actress Monica Bellucci, who says they are like dreamers who dream and then live inside the dream. "But who is the dreamer?" Then she motions for Cole to turn around and look at something. Of course he sees the FWWM scene, but did he really turn around to look at US?? Towards where the camera was at that time?
This theory has flaws, such as the fact that no 'Judy's Diner' exists in Odessa Tx. But a Judy K's does lol. Also Cooper, Laura, and Audrey's names were not Kyle, Sherilyn and Sheryl in that 'real' world. But of course that would have been way too obvious....and Lynch's style is not to make things straight forward like that.
Thoughts?
I have also greatly considered this Redan and I believe it's a very probable, definitely satisfying conclusion. There was such a focus on "the dreamer" and every theory seems to hit a road block.
I know David Lynch would be perfectly satisfied with us being the dreamer, and this is very likely the answer 🙂
I still think Pieter is the dreamer.
And we're all living inside his dream.
Poor Pieter! ?
I like this a lot. Hadn't made the "Billy" connection at all...nor have I seen anyone else mention it. I always thought the pre and post motel driving scenes were not continuous action, but I had not thought of a good explanation as to why.
Well done.
Thanks. 🙂 This definitely doesn't explain everything, and I have a feeling that if about 45 top theories were all thrown together and discussed in relation to each other, we might actually come up with something that approximates a big picture 'truth'...assuming of course....such a thing exists 😛
But how do you account for the Twin Peaks universe in this world such as the white horse statues outside Judy's café and in Carrie Page's house. Also the column with the number 6 and Mrs Tremont and Chalfonts also existed in the Twin Peaks universe as well as the diner still being called the R R Diner and not its real name. The only thing that relates to reality is the actual owner of the Palmer house opening the door but she is then called someone else. However, I do believe that we the viewer are partially the dreamer of the series in that we have watched it but have no idea what some of it means just like a dream.
I too think we the viewers are the dreamer, and I think David Lynch is the dreamer, annnd I'm thinking Cooper and Laura are dreamers. Altogether, I don't think there's one explanation, but it's something we could mull over forever--like a dream.
And yeah, I decided a few days ago that they must have used the name "Billy" for Audrey's love because of Billy Zane. I agree with you there!
Someone mentioned a Twin Peaks VHS in Carrie's house, but I looked for it last night while trying to find all kinds of Twin Peaks VHS's for sale online, and none of videos stacked up in her place have the color scheme matching TP videos, so I don't think that's the case. But somehow, the first time around, I was so enraptured, I totally missed the white horse!! Ahh!!
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. 🙂
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. 🙂
I hope some daaaayyy you'll join us and the worrrlllddd can . . .
Edit: where the heck is MJ? Existential meltdown must've been more serious than I thought.
But how do you account for the Twin Peaks universe in this world such as the white horse statues outside Judy's café and in Carrie Page's house. Also the column with the number 6 and Mrs Tremont and Chalfonts also existed in the Twin Peaks universe as well as the diner still being called the R R Diner and not its real name. The only thing that relates to reality is the actual owner of the Palmer house opening the door but she is then called someone else. However, I do believe that we the viewer are partially the dreamer of the series in that we have watched it but have no idea what some of it means just like a dream.
Well, there's a bit more than just it being the actual homeowner, such as the RR diner being on Bendigo Blvd, as the restaurant is in real life [on twin peaks it is on the corner of Falls and Main. Plus the other subtle clues I mentioned. Lynch would never be as straight forward as making everything fit. I would say that since the theory is that its a person 'dreaming' then it would make sense that not everything is as it actually would be. Just like things are often not exactly as they should be in our real dreams. That sounds to me more how Lynch would roll.
However, there are a lot of other theories out there that make partial sense to me as well, so I have a feeling, if there really is a "truth" to be arrived at [a big IF], I think taking all the best ideas of many of these theories might bring us a bit closer to it. I really like the idea that multiple versions of the universe exist because it changes slightly each time Cooper meddles with time.
I just finished reading The Secret History of Twin Peaks, and some clues in this book seem to back up the idea that the world of Twin Peaks has changed in many ways since Cooper went back in time to save Laura.
I think the idea of the characters "living inside a dream" on a literal plot level is to do with how the universe of the show works. Remember that the Red Room was originally Cooper's dream, and that in FWWM Laura entered the Black Lodge in her dream. But at the same time, the Lodges are "real" places, other dimensions that can be accessed via physical portals in the waking world, as well as seeming to be the after-life. So it begs the question, if for example Cooper sleeps, goes to the Red Room, and at the same time Briggs is able to access the Red Room via a portal while he's awake, does he enter Cooper's dream and thus his mind? That would mean that the Lodges are all part of the collective conscious, and exists inside everyone's heads, and that we exist and live inside everyone else. We are therefore one unified whole in that sense. The "loop" that that idea creates actually calls to mind the number 8 / infinity symbol to me too.
The other meaning I think relates to the season's theme of death: death is all over it, from the huge violent body count, to the sicknesses of Truman and the Log Lady, to the numerous dedications at the end of each episode, and of course a final attempt to reverse a death. I think Judy in some sense represents death - something we try to avoid, make plans to stop, are scared to talk about, and ultimately can't be escaped. But as the Log Lady tells Hawk, "death is just a change," and life is just a dream.
Good Cooper was way back in the lodge before Laura killed. Also Annie was killed and saw the red room and told Laura that Cooper is in the red room. So Cooper is always there with ARM and the ring. All is before Laura woke up and no ring in her hand. Laura is the dreamer.
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