What'd I'd really like to know is whether the emperor is wearing any clothes or not.
I'm not saying, wow, man, you just don't get that David Lynch! I'm saying, this is his whole shtick. It's late in the game to complain about his elliptical storytelling. There were many points this season where it was acknowledged and even pushed in our face. (Remember the woman honking in the traffic jam demanding to get where she was going?) But he's in his 70s now and this was probably his creative swan song.
. If you want the weird dream-logic of his show, you have to go along with how he's going to tell it. It's intrinsically unsatisfying. It doesn't make him a hidden genius. I didn't care for FWWM and found Inland Empire unwatchable. For that matter, Eraserhead is borderline unwatchable. But it's how he wants to tell these stories. I don't know why anyone expected differently.
What'd I'd really like to know is whether the emperor is wearing any clothes or not.
He is, and he isn't. 🙂
What'd I'd really like to know is whether the emperor is wearing any clothes or not.
He is, and he isn't. 🙂
That's kind of what I'm thinking. But the only thing I know now is that I know nothing.
I'll make one little observation: you don't have to be a David Lynch fan to enjoy, like, and appreciate the classical Twin Peaks. I know at least one person (that is, myself) who love it and who hasn't seen any other David Lynch movie save Fire Walk with Me.
As for The Return, it seems that being a Lynch fan is almost a pre-requisite for watching it. And, for me, this is a little sad.
I'm glad you clarified man, and I apologise if I appeared hostile in any way.
I agree, every artist, musician, filmmaker has fanboys. Fanboys will blindly defend until the end of time.
I adore Lynch, he's my favourite filmmaker..but he's not perfect. I personally don't enjoy Inland Empire that much, though I do still appreciate it.
So like I said; if you disliked the ending, it's perfectly understandable.
I just personally have grown to like it since sitting down and considering it for a while.
But we are all entitled to our opinions, for if we all agreed, there would be no discussion.
I'm not saying, wow, man, you just don't get that David Lynch! I'm saying, this is his whole shtick. It's late in the game to complain about his elliptical storytelling. There were many points this season where it was acknowledged and even pushed in our face. (Remember the woman honking in the traffic jam demanding to get where she was going?) But he's in his 70s now and this was probably his creative swan song.
. If you want the weird dream-logic of his show, you have to go along with how he's going to tell it. It's intrinsically unsatisfying. It doesn't make him a hidden genius. I didn't care for FWWM and found Inland Empire unwatchable. For that matter, Eraserhead is borderline unwatchable. But it's how he wants to tell these stories. I don't know why anyone expected differently.
And I get that we were watching Lynch. I knew what I was getting into when it was announced he was directing every episode. But I was under the impression we were getting Twin Peaks, not a bastardized combination of Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. I LOVE both films, but those were not I was expecting or wanted. I (and many others) feel the show could have been better, and still been Lynchian.
I'll make one little observation: you don't have to be a David Lynch fan to enjoy, like, and appreciate the classical Twin Peaks. I know at least one person (that is, myself) who love it and who hasn't seen any other David Lynch movie save Fire Walk with Me.
As for The Return, it seems that being a Lynch fan is almost a pre-requisite for watching it. And, for me, this is a little sad.
Well said. I am in the middle. I "like" Lynch but have not seen all Lynch works. The truth is that TP introduced me to Lynchianism. I'd never heard of him before 1990. Every time I've seen one of his films, I've been in wonderment that this is the same guy who created Twin Peaks?
I am just about done with "did it suck" threads, but I honor DETECTIVE Brandy, and hear your pain.
I don't think of myself as a "Lynch person". I have trouble getting through Eraserhead. I just rewatched Mulholland Drive, and thought it was beautiful and hard, and thought, "make THIS TV show now!". I WAS one of those people who fell in love with TP. Part of me wants nice closure, the closure it looked like we were headed for just before we see Dale's face superimposed on the screen (my reaction to that was "nononono, please go away, superimposed-Dale-face, let this be real!").
The ending of TPTR was hard and bitter. And mind-blowing and amazing. And there is understanding to be gained, theoretical rabbit holes to jump down. Our feelings are valid, sure. I CARE about Dale, and as hard as it was to leave him where he was in the old series, this seems much worse.
But all that is different from hating the ending, or the show. I would love more TP, but to think that THIS time he is going to engage in an act of fan-service is the definition of madness.
Brandy, TP is differnet from DL's other work- it is a collaboration. But in s fictional world built on dualities, DL's statement that TSHOTP is "Mark Frost's vision of TP" has never made more sense.
I think we all need some time to absorb that what we were given was different from what we hoped for. And on the other side of that, to come to find that what we were given was amazing.
And on that note, I am done with threads about whether or not the ending sucked.
Congrats, Detective Brandy. See you at the curtain call!
I am just about done with "did it suck" threads, but I honor DETECTIVE Brandy, and hear your pain.
I don't think of myself as a "Lynch person". I have trouble getting through Eraserhead. I just rewatched Mulholland Drive, and thought it was beautiful and hard, and thought, "make THIS TV show now!". I WAS one of those people who fell in love with TP. Part of me wants nice closure, the closure it looked like we were headed for just before we see Dale's face superimposed on the screen (my reaction to that was "nononono, please go away, superimposed-Dale-face, let this be real!").
The ending of TPTR was hard and bitter. And mind-blowing and amazing. And there is understanding to be gained, theoretical rabbit holes to jump down. Our feelings are valid, sure. I CARE about Dale, and as hard as it was to leave him where he was in the old series, this seems much worse.
But all that is different from hating the ending, or the show. I would love more TP, but to think that THIS time he is going to engage in an act of fan-service is the definition of madness.
Brandy, TP is differnet from DL's other work- it is a collaboration. But in s fictional world built on dualities, DL's statement that TSHOTP is "Mark Frost's vision of TP" has never made more sense.
I think we all need some time to absorb that what we were given was different from what we hoped for. And on the other side of that, to come to find that what we were given was amazing.
And on that note, I am done with threads about whether or not the ending sucked.
Congrats, Detective Brandy. See you at the curtain call!
Lol, thanks MJ.
I guess I am in the class of "did it suck?" But not really. But kind of, maybe, sorta, no, yes, what?!
Maybe my process is slower than everyone else's.
Like I've said before, it's art and we take away from it what we want, need, choose. I don't yet know what I want/need/choose.
Maybe Mr. C's statement on the difference between WANT and NEED is more important and profound than I realized.
An interesting thread out there gives the theory that Coop Richard is the one that stays with Dianne... that he is the one that comes from the seed.... that the real Coop did find his happiness in the end and escaped the looping of the lodge and made his way back to vegas and his family.... and left richard coop to face the insanity and Diane knew it the minute they kissed and are making love.... interesting... and for those that want Coop to find that happiness a theory that would be easy to grab on to....
I really liked it. I'm sure more sense of it will be made in the next coming weeks then there will be a couple of 'accepted' theories.
Part of the reason I enjoyed it more than S1&2 is because it was all a bit Eraserhead, Lost Highway etc. Had Lynch stuck with it in season 2 then I reckon things would have taken a trippier turn, but he was busy elsewhere (I think) and it was on a mainstream network. Instead we ended up with elderly brothers warring, pine weasels and Windham Earle.
So whilst I understand people's frustrations, I don't think it's any more or less 'Twin Peaks' than what followed after Leland's reveal. I also think it was called 'Twin Peaks: The Return' rather than season 3 so it could be treated and distinguished as something different.
It doesn't make me a troll to criticize the show. I've seen a dozen threads today created by people pissed off about the finale and the show in general, and I'm getting tired of the typical "you just don't get it" response.
There was quite a bit I did enjoy, and I'm trying to actively engage in discussions beyond just criticism. But I felt that critics were being too easily dismissed, and something should be said.
Well, that's the definition of trolling. If you saw "a dozen threads today created by people pissed off about the finale and the show in general", why did you start a new one?
I've gotten the same reaction here - even saw some forum members claiming intellectual superiority over those of us who did not enjoy the finale
And somehow we are degrading to what we have formerly revered ourselves to be above.
Fire walk with