I was wondering if others had things which just make you discount a Twin Peaks theory upon seeing them? I have a few. I don't mean this thread to be about arguing the efficacy of certain theories. Not saying I'm right in feeling this way about certain things or others are wrong. Just acknowledging I do have these hangups.
1.Everything seems solved. Or close to everything. There is a definitive end.
Given Lynch's interview of how he didn't even want to solve Laura's murder for fear of killing the Golden Goose I don't see why he would go ahead and conclude Twin Peaks or wrap everything up. No matter how many seasons or films we get I don't see Twin Peaks as ever coming to a complete conclusion.
2. Cooper is dead or he's not part of the story any longer.
See point 1. There's no bigger Goose then Cooper and if there is no end to Twin Peaks there is no end to Cooper. There is no Twin Peaks without Cooper as far as I'm concerned.
3. Everything, or any part, is a dream or just inside one person's head. Dream being defined as not actually happening.
It's just too hackneyed an idea for me. If something happens, it happened. For everyone involved in that. Time can be reset, things can be erased. But they weren't a figment.
4. Judy is defeated at end of Season 3.
Having just truly established her as the villain at the start of Part 17 and having just killed off, sort of, the big baddie for everything before that, BOB, I can't see Judy as being over with in 2 episodes leaving Twin Peaks without a villain. It just seems way too fast for Lynch.
So what about you? Any things that make you go uh uh?
Good points.
I may have posted this somewhere else, but I keep coming back to three points that prevent any theory from holding up for longer than 5 seconds. I even wonder if Lynch & Frost deliberately edited the answers to these out to keep it impossible for anyone to draw any conclusions.
1. What does the Laura Orb represent? Please explain, even if it is only to say "I just came up with it while I was daydreaming in my chair having a smoke"
2. Is Cooper Richard? Yes or no.
3. Why is Diane dressed like the Red Room? If it is just a cute meta-reference then fine, but if it is something else it may change everything!
In addition I guess this one too: We see Laura disappear in the Red Room and also in the Forest Sequence. What is going on there?!
I'm not discounting - or believing - anything yet. All the theories, ideas and speculations are entertaining, at least.
Frost and Lynch are damn good at stringing things along, dropping out false clues and hiding reveals in plain sight. Maybe a word or two from the gentlemen will clarify things but somehow, I doubt it.
I'll be very surprised if anyone has arrived at the definitive answer yet. In the meantime, there's a lot of fun to be had in reading all the stuff here. I'm keeping an open mind because, quite honestly, I don't have a clue.
I'm not discounting - or believing - anything yet. All the theories, ideas and speculations are entertaining, at least.
Frost and Lynch are damn good at stringing things along, dropping out false clues and hiding reveals in plain sight. Maybe a word or two from the gentlemen will clarify things but somehow, I doubt it.
I'll be very surprised if anyone has arrived at the definitive answer yet. In the meantime, there's a lot of fun to be had in reading all the stuff here. I'm keeping an open mind because, quite honestly, I don't have a clue.
I think the same of it, as long there are questions and new (great) theories, i don't think whe can get a definitive conclusion.
With the exception, it seems, of the sync theory. That one looks dead in the water now.
With the exception, it seems, of the sync theory. That one looks dead in the water now.
Watch and listen to this and tell me it isn't synced at all -
I was wondering if others had things which just make you discount a Twin Peaks theory upon seeing them? I have a few. I don't mean this thread to be about arguing the efficacy of certain theories. Not saying I'm right in feeling this way about certain things or others are wrong. Just acknowledging I do have these hangups.
1.Everything seems solved. Or close to everything. There is a definitive end.
Given Lynch's interview of how he didn't even want to solve Laura's murder for fear of killing the Golden Goose I don't see why he would go ahead and conclude Twin Peaks or wrap everything up. No matter how many seasons or films we get I don't see Twin Peaks as ever coming to a complete conclusion.
2. Cooper is dead or he's not part of the story any longer.
See point 1. There's no bigger Goose then Cooper and if there is no end to Twin Peaks there is no end to Cooper. There is no Twin Peaks without Cooper as far as I'm concerned.
3. Everything, or any part, is a dream or just inside one person's head. Dream being defined as not actually happening.
It's just too hackneyed an idea for me. If something happens, it happened. For everyone involved in that. Time can be reset, things can be erased. But they weren't a figment.
4. Judy is defeated at end of Season 3.
Having just truly established her as the villain at the start of Part 17 and having just killed off, sort of, the big baddie for everything before that, BOB, I can't see Judy as being over with in 2 episodes leaving Twin Peaks without a villain. It just seems way too fast for Lynch.
So what about you? Any things that make you go uh uh?
I think even though we have really only talked about Judy in the last few episodes we have known about Judy since Fire Walk With Me and I think the whole of the third series as been about killing 2 birds with one stone which I think can be related to killing Judy and finding Laura. So though Cooper got side tracked in Las Vegas his ultimate mission from going out of the lodge was to destroy Judy and find Laura.
I am still trying to work out the last episode though. I still have questions like were Dale and Diane in the 1960s before they went into the different universe? Did they just go into the 1960s when they went through the barrier? Was Judy controlling that 1960s universe or did they need to have sex to go into Judy's universe in the future? Why couldn't they have just gone into the present day universe controlled by Judy by going through the barrier rather than having to have sex to go to the future place controlled by Judy?
I was wondering if others had things which just make you discount a Twin Peaks theory upon seeing them? I have a few. I don't mean this thread to be about arguing the efficacy of certain theories. Not saying I'm right in feeling this way about certain things or others are wrong. Just acknowledging I do have these hangups.
1.Everything seems solved. Or close to everything. There is a definitive end.
Given Lynch's interview of how he didn't even want to solve Laura's murder for fear of killing the Golden Goose I don't see why he would go ahead and conclude Twin Peaks or wrap everything up. No matter how many seasons or films we get I don't see Twin Peaks as ever coming to a complete conclusion.
2. Cooper is dead or he's not part of the story any longer.
See point 1. There's no bigger Goose then Cooper and if there is no end to Twin Peaks there is no end to Cooper. There is no Twin Peaks without Cooper as far as I'm concerned.
3. Everything, or any part, is a dream or just inside one person's head. Dream being defined as not actually happening.
It's just too hackneyed an idea for me. If something happens, it happened. For everyone involved in that. Time can be reset, things can be erased. But they weren't a figment.
4. Judy is defeated at end of Season 3.
Having just truly established her as the villain at the start of Part 17 and having just killed off, sort of, the big baddie for everything before that, BOB, I can't see Judy as being over with in 2 episodes leaving Twin Peaks without a villain. It just seems way too fast for Lynch.
So what about you? Any things that make you go uh uh?
I think even though we have really only talked about Judy in the last few episodes we have known about Judy since Fire Walk With Me and I think the whole of the third series as been about killing 2 birds with one stone which I think can be related to killing Judy and finding Laura. So though Cooper got side tracked in Las Vegas his ultimate mission from going out of the lodge was to destroy Judy and find Laura.
I am still trying to work out the last episode though. I still have questions like were Dale and Diane in the 1960s before they went into the different universe? Did they just go into the 1960s when they went through the barrier? Was Judy controlling that 1960s universe or did they need to have sex to go into Judy's universe in the future? Why couldn't they have just gone into the present day universe controlled by Judy by going through the barrier rather than having to have sex to go to the future place controlled by Judy?
How are we so sure that Judy created the new place though? Maybe it was the Fireman who made it.
With the exception, it seems, of the sync theory. That one looks dead in the water now.
Watch and listen to this and tell me it isn't synced at all -
First it was 8 and 18...
...then it was 17 and 18...
...now it's 16 and 18.
Yeah...it's dead.
Were a step away from combining episode 8 with Dark Side of the Moon at this point.
I may have posted this somewhere else, but I keep coming back to three points that prevent any theory from holding up for longer than 5 seconds. I even wonder if Lynch & Frost deliberately edited the answers to these out to keep it impossible for anyone to draw any conclusions.
1. What does the Laura Orb represent? Please explain, even if it is only to say "I just came up with it while I was daydreaming in my chair having a smoke"
2. Is Cooper Richard? Yes or no.
3. Why is Diane dressed like the Red Room? If it is just a cute meta-reference then fine, but if it is something else it may change everything!
In addition I guess this one too: We see Laura disappear in the Red Room and also in the Forest Sequence. What is going on there?!
You points don't prevent dreamer theory at all even for a second.
I think you don't understand a trial theory. It is not someone go asleep on the chair. Well I don't want to repeat it all, will quote myself and maybe you will understand.
I can even spot you where is a dreamer at last part. He is facing the Arm and he hear "Is it a story about a little girl who lived down the lane" Camera is on his face and suddently Laura is whispering him something to ear. This is a dream part. It's another trial for him.
Rest is here:
welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/if-its-not-a-dream/paged/2/
and:
If you follow Black Lodge dreamer it is simple answer. This "dream" isn't only his own. In this theory he is doing a trial. A trial about Hawk was talking. What do you think trial mean ? That someone just dreaming like in sleeping state ? So where is there any trial ? If we follow this, trial must mean that Black Lodge entities place him in their created world, and he must past trial there. It's not about he can dream about anything he want to. They placed him in modern world
And your last questions sounds like exactly trial theory...Laura dissapear...FIND LAURA.
At last a clue for you about Fireman role in trial:
First it was 8 and 18...
...then it was 17 and 18...
...now it's 16 and 18.
Yeah...it's dead.
Were a step away from combining episode 8 with Dark Side of the Moon at this point.
That sounds amazing! Can we do it? Can we Can we Can we?!?!?!?!?
First it was 8 and 18...
...then it was 17 and 18...
...now it's 16 and 18.
Yeah...it's dead.
Were a step away from combining episode 8 with Dark Side of the Moon at this point.
That sounds amazing! Can we do it? Can we Can we Can we?!?!?!?!?
What about combining the last 15 minutes with the last 15 minutes of Vertigo. That might work.
If you sync Mulholland drive with Inland empire you get a headache, i've tested it ! 😉
What about syncing Learning to Fly with James's song thing?
Or NIN with Edward Louis Seversun (or whatever his name is).
Or sync Guinness with Jameson and Bailey's!
Fire walk with